Relation of Chess Ability To IQ...

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Grandmaster_X

On many posts, the idea of a correlation between IQ and chess ability has been drawn. I have never understood the fascination which such an idea. I am a mathematical savant, IQ: 193, and yet, have achieved little in the way of improvement from my current rating of a mere, circa, 700.

BronsteinPawn

If you have an IQ of 193 I created math.

Grandmaster_X

I don't understand what your issue is. The question was not in regards to that in any way. It was as to the idea of correlation. P.S. If you want to claim that something is false, (or a fallacy) you aught to use proper grammar.

BronsteinPawn wrote:

If you have an IQ of 193 I created math.

BronsteinPawn

I have issues with competitive trolls like you.

You may want to cite studies or something that proves a high IQ causes a high chess rating, not random people from the forums.

ilikewindmills
According to Richie and Oprahs post, my IQ is 29.
According to an actual IQ test, my IQ is 150.

Explain that.
BronsteinPawn

 Richie is right.

ArgoNavis

193...IQ tests are not accurate in the extremes (supposing you are not trolling...)

ArgoNavis

Also, if we were to believe the IQ users say they have, the average would be  around 160

BronsteinPawn

 So you are telling me that all this people that talk/act like if they were mentally disabled in other threads are out of nowhere geniuses?
YOU CAN SMELL WHEN SOMEONE IS SMART BUT LIKES TO TROLL AND WHEN SOMEONE IS SIMPLY STUPID.

Grandmaster_X

I don't think that anyone is actually reading the question. I asked for an explanation as to why the misconception of a relation between chess ability and IQ is so prominent. Again... If anyone actually has an answer I would appreciate that.

BronsteinPawn wrote:

 So you are telling me that all this people that talk/act like if they were mentally disabled in other threads are out of nowhere geniuses?YOU CAN SMELL WHEN SOMEONE IS SMART BUT LIKES TO TROLL AND WHEN SOMEONE IS SIMPLY STUPID.

Sceadungen

I went for a job once, I knew they would use standard IQ tests as part of the interview procedure.

desperado132

Visualization skills and intelligence don't always match up. I bet there are tons of articles about the relation of IQ and chess. Studying is also an element. Man can always play with his mere intelligence, but maybe like in mathematics it's pretty much never the case, e.g. people usually learn the previous theory about it, not coming up with imaginary numbers or group theory. People first learn about these, then solve the problems. People first learn enough theory in chess, then apply it. As an utopia, finding everything yourself would be very nice and you wouldn't probably forget anything because you would come up with the whole idea. Higher IQ may mean shorter studying times, maybe that's what everything is about

Sceadungen

contd..........

 

I got an IQ test book and used it for a week, shoving circles into holes, tricksy numbers sequences the lot.

My IQ went up 21 points in a week to 156, never had much faith in them since.

 

Git the job.

blueemu

The only confirmed link between chess ability and IQ is that chess players would love to be told officially that chess ability and high IQ are linked.

BronsteinPawn
Grandmaster_X escribió:

I don't think that anyone is actually reading the question. I asked for an explanation as to why the misconception of a relation between chess ability and IQ is so prominent. Again... If anyone actually has an answer I would appreciate that.

BronsteinPawn wrote:

 So you are telling me that all this people that talk/act like if they were mentally disabled in other threads are out of nowhere geniuses?YOU CAN SMELL WHEN SOMEONE IS SMART BUT LIKES TO TROLL AND WHEN SOMEONE IS SIMPLY STUPID.

Because people like you belive stupid things like IQ relating with chess skill.

Serphiot

Removed

BronsteinPawn

One thing is correlation and the other is causation duds. Not that I know about stadistics.

ActuallySleepy
Weather the two things correlate or not someone of lower intelligence with an interest in the game who study's should easily be rated over 1000. So either you've never studied and are just hoping to get the basic concepts based on your superior intellect or maybe you just lack interest in the actual game.
ufmgambit06

Memory, memory, memory. If stuff just sticks when you learn something, you can do pretty much anything.

lba_4

The question of a link between chess playing and more general intellectual ability seems to be a hard one to answer.

Here's the abstract of a 2012 paper suggesting chess playing children in general showed improved 'cognitive abilities, coping and problem solving' compared to controls https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22774429/?i=4&from=chess%20iq

On the other hand, a 2002 literature review found little evidence for a link between chess skill and visuospatial intelligence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12519534/?i=10&from=chess%20iq

To get anywhere near an accurate answer on this you'd need someone with proper training in psychology and access to the full text of all papers relevant to the topic (I have neither) to give a considered opinion on where the weight of evidence lies. My guess is that they would probably come down somewhere between 'uncertain' and 'probably no link (at least in adults)'.