Requesting a draw

Unsportsman-like Behavior...

I do not know if the Clock stops if your Opponent Offers a Draw on His Turn. 

ADK

If I am offered a draw but I want to see my opponents move before deciding that is not a rejection of the draw offer. I am entitled, by the rules, to see his next move before deciding and he cannot retract his offer, it is binding. It is only a rejection if I verbally decline his offer or if I make my next move after his offer.

there are some technical issues that make submitting a draw only after moving much less convenient. for example, you have move in a game, it isn't so simple to get back to the game after you have moved, as usually it moves you on to the next game.

i guess the question here is, if it doesn't stop the clocks, why is it important to have it be offer only after? i'm missing something!?

I like this idea. Take away the "Offer Draw" button if it's your opponent's turn, but if it's your turn and you click it, you'll get a message that says "Your draw offer will be sent to your opponent when you make your move". That way, they have to make a move to even offer the draw.

--Fromper

I was going to respond to point this out. In OTB tournament games, I've had oppponents offer draws on their move, and I almost always say "Make your move and I'll think about it". That's not a rejection of the offer. Their draw offer is binding until I make my next move, accept the offer, or verbally decline the offer in an unambiguous way.

Back to the situation here, another possible code change to prevent abuse might be to have the game track the fact that an draw offer was made and declined on this move, so the "Offer Draw" button won't show up again on the same move. That would at least prevent annoying multiple offers on the same move.

 --Fromper

 You are missing something. It's called zugzwang. Your opponent can offer you a draw knowing full well that his next move leaves him at a disadvantage, possibly a crippling one. You have the right to see how his next move would have affected the outcome of the game before accepting the draw offer. That is why FIDE forces the player offering the draw to make or reveal their next move to their opponent.It's so players who know full well they are about to lose don't walk away with undeserved half points when they should get zero and end up changing the outcome of the event for the players they offer the draws to.

Amnesiac, clearly youropponent evaluates the position differently than you do. So your draw offers are probably rather annoying to him.

An opponent who evaluates a position differently from you might be annoying sometimes, but it's also sometimes how we get a winning position, so it's a mixed blessing.

 After youropponent declines the draw then fails to make progress for several moves, hopefully their evaluation changes. Until then, all you can do is play out the draw.

Here in Australia in OTB play I have experienced it on many occassions with junior players is that once you establish an advantage, they offer a draw! They then continue to do so, the worst example offered a draw after each move they made! This continued for around six moves when I finally replied to the offer with, "Come on now, we both know that this isn't a draw."

The disturbing thing to me is that many of them are being coached to do this by experienced coaches. Apparently the reasoning is that their opponent may not be confident enough to turn down the offer and play on thereby salvaging a half point from a lost game.

Also for what it is worth, the correct way to offer a draw is to make your move, make draw offer, press the clock. A draw offered at any other time is still a valid offer though your opponent can wait until, or even ask that you make your move and then accept or decline the draw. A draw offer once offered cannot be withdrawn, it is up to the player offered the draw to accept or decline.

I've also seen junior players offer draws when they're losing, but usually only once or twice in the game, not continually. One kid blundered against me, so I had a tactic to win a pawn, but he wasn't sure if I saw the tactic, so he offered the draw. Another did it in a materially even endgame where my superior king position was winning, and he knew it, but he wasn't sure if I knew it. You're right that they're just trying to salvage half a point in a lost position.

In OTB tournaments, you're not allowed to discuss the position during the game. I'm not sure what the etiquette is here, but I wouldn't discuss any game that's ongoing. If you're so sure of your line of analysis, put it in as a conditional line, and it'll go pretty quickly.

--Fromper 

"In this instance the offer was to myself and was declined 3 times."

lol,  oh the ridiculous situations we find ourselves in when we misuse reflexive pronouns! Back on the medication londonplayer!