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If you are clearly down in material,  is it proper chess etiquette to resign? or make him chase you down hoping he will mess up?

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Resign
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save yourself some time and check out everyone's opinions in all the topics regarding this already going.  there's one going in most recent posts
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It's not a question of being down material. If you can see how your opponent will beat you, then resign. If you're losing, but the opponent still has to work to force the win, then make them work for it. As I've said elsewhere, I believe in giving my opponents every possible opportunity to blunder, but if they've demonstrated that they know how to finish me off, then I'll give it up and move on to the next game.

 

--Fromper 


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Resign but if I have some chance for a good attack or I have a good position and I can take back material I would play.
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How much material? Since a king and two knights against a lone king cannot force checkmate, should you resign if you are two knights down?
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Why can't a king and two knights force checkmate?  Sounds very possible to me, you just need to press your opponent's king to the corner.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
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No.It is not possible.
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Your'e wrong.  You can only checkmate with two knights if your opponent has a pawn left on the board in what is called the Troitsky line.  That normally falls outside the 50 move rule, so is very difficult even if it applies.
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You can give checkmate with King,Knight and Bishop or King and 2 Bishops but with King and 2 Knights it is not possible.
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mxdplay4 wrote: Your'e wrong.  You can only checkmate with two knights if your opponent has a pawn left on the board in what is called the Troitsky line.  That normally falls outside the 50 move rule, so is very difficult even if it applies.

 Forget on other pieces,pawns.It is not question.On board is only black King and white King and 2 white Knights.Is possible give checkmate? The answere is no.


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Both options are considered OK in the chess etiquettes. However, it is considered to ask your opponent to resign.
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If is on chess board only white King and black King and 2 black Knights it is a draw.If white or black lost on time no matter, it is again draw and judge registere draw.


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hmm, not sure about that last one, my understanding of the draw move is it is a draw so long as it isnt possible to checkmate by "any possible sequence of legal moves".  Just checked, and it is as i suspected, here is the rule from the fide site:

 

 "6.10  Except where Articles 5.1 or one of the Articles 5.2 (a), (b) and (c) apply, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player`s king by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled counterplay."

 

And here http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101is the link for a page of useful information where i found that.  I would have linked it neatly but it doesnt seem to be possible, or at least there are no instructions about how it might be done on this forum.  Anyone know if it's possible and how it might be done?  I tried the vb script and some html but i guess i could have done them wrongly.  


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I stand corrected.
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i would probably always resign rather than get embarrased.
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RetGuvvie98 wrote:

"sit", Gannon, "sit".  use the proper word.  I really doubt you are standing while you are reading on the pc screen.   if you are sitting down to read your computer screen, then you sat corrected.  That would be  "I 'sit' corrected"  I believe.

 

 


 I hope that is a joke, because I cannot possibly fathom the amount of degeneration that would have to occur in order for an intelligent person to argue the viability of an idiosomatic expression.


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dalmatinac wrote: mxdplay4 wrote: Your'e wrong.  You can only checkmate with two knights if your opponent has a pawn left on the board in what is called the Troitsky line.  That normally falls outside the 50 move rule, so is very difficult even if it applies.

 Forget on other pieces,pawns.It is not question.On board is only black King and white King and 2 white Knights.Is possible give checkmate? The answere is no.


The answer is yes, it is possible.  So if one player has two knights and a king, the other a bare king and the player with the lone king runs out of time, he loses.  Pre-empting dalmatinac here it is.

  You can't force it , but it is possible.

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There is no forced mate with N + N + K vs. K.  It is possible to checkmate using the material, but it is impossible to force your opponent into the corner with that material.
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Unbeliever wrote: There is no forced mate with N + N + K vs. K.  It is possible to checkmate using the material, but it is impossible to force your opponent into the corner with that material.

 Actually I believe it is possible to force your opponent into the corner, the only problem is the move needed to deliver checkmate has to come but once the king is in the corner it is stalemate and you cannot bring the mating knight. The checkmate is theoritically possible, but it is not possible, against good play, to checkmate because of the stalemate.