A win is a win. Why would it be wrong for a player to resign a move or two before a forced mate? What's the point? Both players know how the game will continue, isn't it more responsible to end the chaos and bloodshed? ;)
As usual, this wasn't really the point. The OP's opponent played on while the continuation was NOT certain, and resigned when it was. The OP took offense that the resignation did not come earlier.
So I understand why players resign, I have no problem with it and I resign when the game is lost. But if a player runs until 1 move before mate and resigns, I cannot happen to feel disrespected. Does anyone else see the disrespect?
There's nothing disrespectful about resigning! On the contrary it sounds like you're miffed about being denied some sort of self-satisified gloating that goes along with playing the mate on the board.
"Hey! Why did you say "uncle" so soon you disrespectful little jerk!? I wasn't finished grinding your face into the pavement!"
I think that you too are missing the original poster's point. He never said that resigning is disrespectful. What is disrespectful in his opinion is when a player refuses to resign in a lost position (look again, he explained the situation in great detail), making you play on until mate becomes completely inevitable, only to resign one move before you can deliver the final blow. I have encountered this behaviour in my own games too, and I found it pretty immature.
Hmmm... maybe you're right and I'm missing the point... I don't see where he explained it in great detail though, can you point to a post number?
If the OP meant prolonging the game meaninglessly and then resigning right before mate -- then I misunderstood I didn't get that... fwiw I don't that that behavior is particularly disrespectful, just a bit childish, people can end their games when they please. Although I do think it's inconsiderate to use up all available time running time off the clock down to 1 second or so and then resigning... that one seems like it's deliberately provocative.
Wow, I think you've all missed my point completely (except for the last few) It is not 1 OR a few moves before mate. It is 1 move before mate, with plenty of time and no options left. I've encountered this many times in the past and am trying to figure out if it is considered disrepectful to others or not. It's not resigning itself that is disrescpectful, that is not in question. It is the timely act of the opp stating "well you beat me, but i'm not giving you mate - I just made you chase me this long!".
It's always 1 move before mate,
It's always a lost game,
Theres always plenty of time on my clock.
Its amazing some of the replies I've seen though turning my situation into something that fits their arguements....
But thanks for everyone's opinion, sorry to fuel any fires (which I seem to have).
No, I don't feel any disrespect from that at all. Running out the remaining time with mate in one however really does make me kinda mad - only because I can't leave the computer for fear that they WILL make that move and I won't be there to finish.
Anyone who resigns look at this game.
Let me translate:
Anyone who is an absolute beginner and plays people who can't comprehend the stalemate rule enough to see stalemate in 1 and resigns, look at the above game.
So I understand why players resign, I have no problem with it and I resign when the game is lost. But if a player runs until 1 move before mate and resigns, I cannot happen to feel disrespected. Does anyone else see the disrespect?
Chess is an intellectual game.
It's a battle of minds.
But this mental battle is not just about who can move the pieces around more effictively on the baord.
It's about who has the most dicipline; the ability to remain focused; the most mental control.
So if you are allowing anything that your opponent does to make you feel a negative emotion, then you have already shown a mental weakness.
--CM
Anyone who resigns look at this game.
Let me translate:
Anyone who is an absolute beginner and plays people who can't comprehend the stalemate rule enough to see stalemate in 1 and resigns, look at the above game.
So your definition of an absolute beginner is a 1500s player? I thought he'd see the stalemate but there's always a slight chance...
The rating is just a number. Anyone who can't see that 51. Kf6 is stalemate, that nearly every other move on the board leads to an easy checkmate, is a beginner. It's someone who hasn't comprehended the most basic part of the game -- how it ends.
I see no problem playing out a game if you or your opponent don't understand how the game should conclude. That's what I do. As long as I don't see the clear finish to the game, I keep playing. Sometimes this is a piece down because there is some compensation -- even if it's not really enough, I can try.
But the only players that wouldn't see the conclusion of the game in your example is an absolute beginner.
I think this type of thread would be pretty funny if someone posted a game, and then only after 50 posts or so said "oh and this was in a 1 0 game".
Of course the time control matters, or more accurately it matters how much time the opponent has left.
Hey, what if I overhear my opponent telling someone on the phone that "they've got to wrap this thing up because they've got to leave in 15 minutes"... and then I get back to the board and I see that I've got 35 minutes left on my clock... :-) time for a long think!
So I understand why players resign, I have no problem with it and I resign when the game is lost. But if a player runs until 1 move before mate and resigns, I cannot happen to feel disrespected. Does anyone else see the disrespect?
i actually use this rule... if im not hopelessly lost (for example, down an exchange) and there is no quick knockout, i will play on...
however, when the mate in 1 is really obvious, i will resign if playing a much decently high-rated player (usually >1450). so you don't really have a point...
As long as I don't see the clear finish to the game, I keep playing. Sometimes this is a piece down because there is some compensation -- even if it's not really enough, I can try.
Do you also take into consideration the time control?
But in a 1 minute or even 5 minute game that's another story.
Yes, you have to take into account the clock, one can have a lot of compensation on the clock.
The people I don't understand most are the ones who are down material and behind on the clock in a 1 minute game and don't resign. I have literally played games where I just shuffle my king while their time runs out. If you can't win even when your opponent doesn't try to, it's time to resign.
it is kind of like checkmate, if you knew it and they knew it.
i guess I can stop calling myself new to chess.com if this topic (resignation) is old and boring to me... (my stance is never quit, but if someone resigns I guess it is the same as saying they've been defeated and you win so you may deservingly rejoice.)
to me, resigining is a form/sign of quitting....regardless if you couldnt get the checkmate the way you wanted to, its even BETTER when someobody resigns, because they KNOW they are beat...so i would take it as a win either way it goes...its frustrating when you play a good game and it comes down to the last minute, or you have your opponent dominated...but it's like waving a white flag...they would rather walk away a coward, than to take a loss as a man/woman...disagree with what i just said, but its the truth...resigining is the same as quitting, in my opinion...doesnt matter what the situation is...the game is meant to be played for a final checkmate, so if your opponet quits before you can mate him, take it as a sign of weakness from your opponent, cause he knew was about to happen
resigning when your position is hopeless is the right thing to do, it's not war, it's a game/sport...good gamesmanship/sportsmanship is an honourable trait...although I can understand certain cultures live for the "war" mentality.
So I understand why players resign, I have no problem with it and I resign when the game is lost. But if a player runs until 1 move before mate and resigns, I cannot happen to feel disrespected. Does anyone else see the disrespect?
"Disrespect"??? Are you serious? Its a game of chess. Dont be so thin skinned.
the case in question was this: he was left with 1 blocked pawn and i had 4 pawns, and my queen. I promoted the other queen and chased him all over the board. I blocked him from being able to stalemate me and he made me chase him all the way to the corner. he knew mate was coming 6 moves in. he resigned the move prior to mate. I see activity like this all the time, kind of like a "you dont get the gratification of mate" type play. I see this as disrespectful, rude chess play.
Did you win? Do you get any more points for mating? Your opponent has the right to resign anytime he/she feels like it.
Love when they resign.Means i have won.Thats all that matters.
A win is a win. Why would it be wrong for a player to resign a move or two before a forced mate? What's the point? Both players know how the game will continue, isn't it more responsible to end the chaos and bloodshed? ;)