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infinex

Hello chess.com,

I recently got Deep Rybka 4 Aquarium.  Yay!!  I know what some of you may be thinking: A 1600, (who's 1100 USCF), got Rybka?!  And, I was actually surprised to get it myself.  But, it being the most powerful and useful chess tool ever, has a lot of functions, (almost all of which I'm not knowledgeable about).

My request from you, chess.com users, is to teach me, or at least give me a comprehensible website, which I can use to better my chess, especially since I have a lot of free time this summer.

Using it, on my first day, I've found out

  • how to add a game to the database(pretty essential in my books)
  • the Find Blunders button
  • The IDeA and the Infinite Analysis programs, which I don't fully know the capabilities of

Thank You for your time fellow chess players!!! Laughing

djort

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infinex
notlesu wrote:

I know I'm going off on a tangent but it  does bring up some interesting questions. Can someone rated 1100 uscf (using a rybka)  beat a GM ? What if they both had rybkas---who wins and why?


Well, considering you can't use an engine during a game, the GM.  If both people could use an engine, probably a GM, because very few 1100s can understand the positional depth of the game, and so the GM + rybka has a slight advantage.  If it is (essentially) Rybka vs. the GM, and Rybka is Deep Rybka with a multi-core processor, then my money is on Rybka.  If it is regular Rybka, or a single-core processor computer, my money is on the GM.

orangehonda
notlesu wrote:

I know I'm going off on a tangent but it  does bring up some interesting questions. Can someone rated 1100 uscf (using a rybka)  beat a GM ? What if they both had rybkas---who wins and why?


They already did this, have some Rybka matches -- the operator's rating wasn't given, but vs a GM you could just as well assume it was equivalent to an 1100 Wink.

If both had Rybka then it's one of those hybrid matches, the GM would win easily as the 1100 would just be Rybka.  Related though, a team of 1300s won some hybrid tourney like this -- apparently they knew how to manipulate their programs/info from the programs (they had more than 1) to dig out the best moves.  So it would be possible, but the 1100 would have to know a lot about computer chess evidently.

philidorposition

Yep, a single core Rybka against an average GM in a 50 game match would probably have something around 40+.

infinex

OK, guys, I know you would all love to discuss the strength of Rybka, which is about 2480 Elo for regular or single processor computers, and 3250, for multiprocessor Deep Rybka, (which is all I'm leaving to finish off this topic), I need help. And thats in how to use Rybka.  Like physically using it, because I know Roman D... had a couple of chess videos on how to properly use computers, but I can't use that because I don't know how to use Rybka

philidorposition
miturr_binesdurtee15 wrote:

OK, guys, I know you would all love to discuss the strength of Rybka, which is about 2480 Elo for regular or single processor computers,


Rybka on a singe processor computer is about 500 points stronger than that.

pleasant
notlesu wrote:

I know I'm going off on a tangent but it  does bring up some interesting questions. Can someone rated 1100 uscf (using a rybka)  beat a GM ? What if they both had rybkas---who wins and why?


i like to posses the 'cutting edge thing' too -- even if it is of little or no use to me and i have little intention of putting in the effort that would would be required to bring that about.

nonetheless . . . do readers think that Deep Rybka 4 is of any use at at all to a casually improving player rated lower than 1500 - 2000 [one who enjoys the process of learning something while playing at chess an hour or three a week] - - - or would that be a simple waste of money?

and, if of any use, are there any more than the obvious resources out there to help [what about a ' <1500 Rybka improvers' support group' in this forum, for example?] 

Mudhouse

Is it of ANY use to an improving player?  Sure, like any good engine would be.

Is it a colossal waste of money?  Absolutely, since the results they get in terms of improvement to their game from playing it back, studying it, blunder checking, tactic seeking, etc., could be just as easily and just as well performed by any of a hundred free engines.

tarrasch

At 1100, the only thing you need in order to improve is a tactics book.

Rybka is useless, a free engine would have been just as useless, so I think buying it was a waste. The only chess software I'd recommend to weak players like you and me is Chessmaster Grandmaster Edition, which has excellent tutorials.

bobbyDK

I believe it was in the video "no exception" Roman recommended to purchase Rybka as it understands to develop according to the principles and understands to punish you for breaking the principles. therefor good for everyone.

TheOldReb

An 1100 needs deep rybka about like Custer needed more Indians. Wink

chesse_chames

an 1100 running around with a deep rybka is like a kid who found his dad's machine gun

blizzsorc
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blizzsorc

Don't you realize how absurd and farcical it is to brag with the acquirement and technical details of an artificial intelligence  taking over what has been once the main characteristic  of human intelligence when playing chess:planning, analyzing, evaluating, learning from defeats and wins, surprising your opponent etc.etc. Can you imagine that in no later than 10 years simply telling your opponent before the first move that you intend to  activate your Rybka 7 + the 10 pieces endgame tablebases will make him resign as he just hasn't got enough dough to buy the last version?

BTW  I've been told me that the next version of Rybka is supposed to  hit the High Street in Autumn 2011. This version however will be much more expensive than  the actual one. So you better start to put some money aside.

tarrasch
bobbyDK wrote:

I believe it was in the video "no exception" Roman recommended to purchase Rybka as it understands to develop according to the principles and understands to punish you for breaking the principles. therefor good for everyone.


Would you mind giving us an explanation of how good knowledge of principles and planning helps improve a player who usually drops pieces to basic tactics?

bobbyDK

now I really cannot defend an advice I did not give.

but what is the best to study as a beginners some say the principles.

Josh Waitzkin startet with the endgame.

Some say study tactics.

-X-

The OP was actually asking for some tips on how to use Rybka. I don't have it so I can't help. Perhaps during this two month analysis about who does and who doesn't need Rybka, he has found help elsewhere.

infinex
RDR75 wrote:

The OP was actually asking for some tips on how to use Rybka. I don't have it so I can't help. Perhaps during this two month analysis about who does and who doesn't need Rybka, he has found help elsewhere.


Really guys, this is the only GENIUS who could understand what I was asking for. Thankfully, I was able to find after hours of research on MY OWN part, to find an instructive manual.  You guys are a lot of help.