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PossibleOatmeal
StMichealD wrote:

Why even alow electronics at the tournaments?

It's way easier for everyone.  At most tournaments I attend, the TDs prefer you notate electronically since it's so much easier for them.  For the player, it takes less than 2 seconds to notate a move and breaks your concentration way less than writing it down.  I'm happy either way, but I'd be fibbing if I said it wasn't a lot easier electronically and I didn't prefer it.

Jenium
nickchamp wrote:
Jenium wrote:

"By pushing all the right buttons on a good chess engine, any Kardashian sister could conceivably checkmate Fischer." 

Is this guy kidding? Fischer would tear Houdini, Stockfish and Rybka to pieces in a blindfold simul. :-)

 

 

YOU WISH. FISHER STUNK. HE JUST USED MIND TRICKS AND WAS INDIMIDATED. COMPUERS DON'T GET TRICKED BY FISHERS STRATEGIES.

You're confusing things. You are talking about Kasparov, who got toasted by Deep Blue. Fischer had a flawless over-the-board attitude.

greenfreeze

can you tell how me how to cheat?

DrSpudnik

Knock the board over and put pieces on better squares.

greenfreeze

if you want to learn how to cheat then you need to read this book:

it was written by an english gm:

iFrancisco
pawpatrol wrote:
StMichealD wrote:

Why even alow electronics at the tournaments?

It's way easier for everyone.  At most tournaments I attend, the TDs prefer you notate electronically since it's so much easier for them.  For the player, it takes less than 2 seconds to notate a move and breaks your concentration way less than writing it down.  I'm happy either way, but I'd be fibbing if I said it wasn't a lot easier electronically and I didn't prefer it.

Electronic notation is not easier for a TD (I've TD'd National Scholastic tournaments for the USCF) and don't even understand how that could be the case. There's nothing wrong with them, but it's a hassle to always be addressing questions about the legality of the devices to less knowledgeable players.

PossibleOatmeal

It is for some TDs at least.  Perhaps the difference is due to his never once needing to address the legality of the devices to anyone in my experience.  At the end of the day, he simply has pgns sitting in his email inbox instead of barely legible or illegible scoresheets riddled with errors.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Jenium wrote:
nickchamp wrote:
Jenium wrote:

"By pushing all the right buttons on a good chess engine, any Kardashian sister could conceivably checkmate Fischer." 

Is this guy kidding? Fischer would tear Houdini, Stockfish and Rybka to pieces in a blindfold simul. :-)

 

 

YOU WISH. FISHER STUNK. HE JUST USED MIND TRICKS AND WAS INDIMIDATED. COMPUERS DON'T GET TRICKED BY FISHERS STRATEGIES.

You're confusing things. You are talking about Kasparov, who got toasted by Deep Blue. Fischer had a flawless over-the-board attitude.

Deep Blue only won by one game and the match result was a genuine upset like Euwe defeating Alekhine for the title. 

TaiKwanCheck
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
Jenium wrote:
nickchamp wrote:
Jenium wrote:

"By pushing all the right buttons on a good chess engine, any Kardashian sister could conceivably checkmate Fischer." 

Is this guy kidding? Fischer would tear Houdini, Stockfish and Rybka to pieces in a blindfold simul. :-)

 

 

YOU WISH. FISHER STUNK. HE JUST USED MIND TRICKS AND WAS INDIMIDATED. COMPUERS DON'T GET TRICKED BY FISHERS STRATEGIES.

You're confusing things. You are talking about Kasparov, who got toasted by Deep Blue. Fischer had a flawless over-the-board attitude.

Deep Blue only won by one game and the match result was a genuine upset like Euwe defeating Alekhine for the title. 

Perhaps, but that was then, this is now. I'm not saying that Fischer and Kasparov weren't some of the greatest players ever. But there is no way Fischer or anyone else could beat even one of the computers jenium mentioned at their hardest level.

HashtagFlawless
FirebrandX wrote:

So I've been looking at Clark Smiley's tournament history, and it appears he started cheating well before he was finally caught. In the span of 7 months, he went from 1200 to what would have been about 2000 by the time he was finally caught cheating. That's unheard of even for child GM prodigies, who usually take about two or three years to make that same leap.

The first red flag comes in at the Ashburn Chess Camp Blitz. In the blitz section, he actually went down from 1129 to 1072 in rating. In the long game section, he gained a whopping 170 rating points by beating two 1700s and a 1500, moving him from 1260 to 1430 instantly. Here's the progress breakdown:

Ashburn Chess Camp (Long games): 4 wins and 1 loss. --->1430

August 1st Saturday Quad: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1525

2nd Annual Ashburn Scholastics: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1640

Ashburn Swiss 01: 3 wins and one loss to a 1900. ---> 1647

43rd Annual Atlantic Open U1300: Clean sweep of 5 wins. --->1661

Ashburn First Saturday Quads: Clean sweep of 3 wins. ---> 1713

2012 Greater Mid-Atlantic Champion: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1717

TSS20120218: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1767

44th Annual Virginia Open. Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1849

March 1st Saturday Quad: 2 wins and a loss to a 2200. ---> 1875

Va Scholastic and Collegiate Champs: Clean sweep of what was going to be 5 wins, busted and forfeited all games in the tournament while caught cheating on a 2100.

Total result from games (if not caught in the last one):

45 wins and 3 losses.

Not included were 3 arranged "training" draws with another 1600 (shame on the TD for even logging those games in the database).

omg I can't even rn. 7 months ago I was 1363 and now I'm 1902 USCF. Does that mean ur gonna accuse me of cheating too??? :(

Also, in a span of 2 tournaments I went from 1157 to 1515, and it's legit (I don't cheat!!!!)

WilliamJohnB
HashtagFlawless wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:

So I've been looking at Clark Smiley's tournament history, and it appears he started cheating well before he was finally caught. In the span of 7 months, he went from 1200 to what would have been about 2000 by the time he was finally caught cheating. That's unheard of even for child GM prodigies, who usually take about two or three years to make that same leap.

The first red flag comes in at the Ashburn Chess Camp Blitz. In the blitz section, he actually went down from 1129 to 1072 in rating. In the long game section, he gained a whopping 170 rating points by beating two 1700s and a 1500, moving him from 1260 to 1430 instantly. Here's the progress breakdown:

Ashburn Chess Camp (Long games): 4 wins and 1 loss. --->1430

August 1st Saturday Quad: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1525

2nd Annual Ashburn Scholastics: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1640

Ashburn Swiss 01: 3 wins and one loss to a 1900. ---> 1647

43rd Annual Atlantic Open U1300: Clean sweep of 5 wins. --->1661

Ashburn First Saturday Quads: Clean sweep of 3 wins. ---> 1713

2012 Greater Mid-Atlantic Champion: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1717

TSS20120218: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1767

44th Annual Virginia Open. Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1849

March 1st Saturday Quad: 2 wins and a loss to a 2200. ---> 1875

Va Scholastic and Collegiate Champs: Clean sweep of what was going to be 5 wins, busted and forfeited all games in the tournament while caught cheating on a 2100.

Total result from games (if not caught in the last one):

45 wins and 3 losses.

Not included were 3 arranged "training" draws with another 1600 (shame on the TD for even logging those games in the database).

omg I can't even rn. 7 months ago I was 1363 and now I'm 1902 USCF. Does that mean ur gonna accuse me of cheating too??? :(

Also, in a span of 2 tournaments I went from 1157 to 1515, and it's legit (I don't cheat!!!!)

Oh yeah.  How do I know you are not some sort of troll, HashtagFlawless?  Prove it, HashtagFlawless. 

pt22064
WilliamJohnB wrote:
HashtagFlawless wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:

So I've been looking at Clark Smiley's tournament history, and it appears he started cheating well before he was finally caught. In the span of 7 months, he went from 1200 to what would have been about 2000 by the time he was finally caught cheating. That's unheard of even for child GM prodigies, who usually take about two or three years to make that same leap.

The first red flag comes in at the Ashburn Chess Camp Blitz. In the blitz section, he actually went down from 1129 to 1072 in rating. In the long game section, he gained a whopping 170 rating points by beating two 1700s and a 1500, moving him from 1260 to 1430 instantly. Here's the progress breakdown:

Ashburn Chess Camp (Long games): 4 wins and 1 loss. --->1430

August 1st Saturday Quad: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1525

2nd Annual Ashburn Scholastics: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1640

Ashburn Swiss 01: 3 wins and one loss to a 1900. ---> 1647

43rd Annual Atlantic Open U1300: Clean sweep of 5 wins. --->1661

Ashburn First Saturday Quads: Clean sweep of 3 wins. ---> 1713

2012 Greater Mid-Atlantic Champion: Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1717

TSS20120218: Clean sweep of 4 wins. ---> 1767

44th Annual Virginia Open. Clean sweep of 5 wins. ---> 1849

March 1st Saturday Quad: 2 wins and a loss to a 2200. ---> 1875

Va Scholastic and Collegiate Champs: Clean sweep of what was going to be 5 wins, busted and forfeited all games in the tournament while caught cheating on a 2100.

Total result from games (if not caught in the last one):

45 wins and 3 losses.

Not included were 3 arranged "training" draws with another 1600 (shame on the TD for even logging those games in the database).

omg I can't even rn. 7 months ago I was 1363 and now I'm 1902 USCF. Does that mean ur gonna accuse me of cheating too??? :(

Also, in a span of 2 tournaments I went from 1157 to 1515, and it's legit (I don't cheat!!!!)

Oh yeah.  How do I know you are not some sort of troll, HashtagFlawless?  Prove it, HashtagFlawless. 

Although I don't know HashtagFlawless, her claim sounds reasonable. It is fairly common for young kids jump several hundred rating points in a year -- especially if they are playing alot of tournaments and have a good coach. 

Bulacano

"1200 to 2000 in 7 months" would theoretically involve a player who played numerous moves at or just below expert/master strength but made blunders or mistakes often enough to be held to 1200. 

An example of an actual prodigy's progress(USCF):

  • 3-11-2007: 1207  
  • 2-28-2009: 1803 
  • 10-2-2011: 2205 
  • 8-29-2014: IM title
  • 12-30-2015: Defeats 2600+ GM


SmyslovFan

No not considerably stronger. Naka is slightly stronger than Fischer ever was. Nakamura's highest rating ever was 2819 while Fischer's highest ever rating was 2789. A rating difference of 30 points equates to about a 54.6 out of 100 points played, which is the equivalent of an otherwise equal opponent having White every game. 

Today, Nakamura is rated 2787, which is statistically the same as Fischer's final rating. 

DrSpudnik

Modern Super GMs seem to be some kind of computer enhanced chess cyborgs. I don't think further comparisons between now and previous eras is fruitful.

TheOldReb

Anyone who thinks Nakamura is stronger than Fischer at his peak has precious little chess understanding . 

The_Ghostess_Lola

Neither are/were outstandingly creative. And it's as tho' BF was not very tested and HN can't even pass it yet.

The_Ghostess_Lola

And altho' it's not fair to compare, I'll share on this pair, only 'cuz I care to bare my humble opinion....

....HN would embarrass BF in a match of today....and everyone knows it.

Pulpofeira

I dare to guess he (Naka) would lose the psychological duel, at least.

TheOldReb

Go away hater .