Sick of playing against wayward queen

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llama51
SquirrellyMove wrote:
llama51 wrote:
SquirrellyMove wrote:

I only see one post, #5, by @nervesofbutter which doesn't address any of their games. I don't see where they state it should be a win. I see where in their annotation they state where there could be an advantage.

Correct, I used nervsofbutter as an example of a post that didn't say it's a win.

 

Ok, but it didn't really address the heart of the thread regardless. If you are sick and tired of playing an opening, like I am with the French the solution is to win it at the lower levels and find a way to draw it at your level. That is the only way to deal with it or don't play chess.

That doesn't make any sense. There are openings I dislike playing against. Even if I beat peers out of that opening it wont make the opening disappear or make my games any more enjoyable.

I guess you mean to say that if you dislike an opening that loses by force then the answer is to "get good" because higher rated players don't play it... but I've lost track how many times I've told you it doesn't lose by force, and "the heart of the thread" is the OP is venting so there was nothing mandatory to address. Anyway let's move on.

 

If you don't like traffic jams in the morning, learn to go to work/school earlier. Beat the traffic jam.

 

I think the problem is that higher rated players near 2000 don't understand this. They see everything at their level of "drawness". 

 

Basic math, addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division should be "mastered". Win until  you draw getting higher ratings.

"You want to know how to rhyme you better learn how to add
It's mathematics"

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llama51
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
llama51 wrote:

Also, the Ruy Lopez is also equal with best play so... 

The difference being that in the Ruy Lopez black may need to play 50 or 60 accurate moves in a row to fully equalise, whereas in the Wayward Queen attack black is (at least) equal on move 2 

Yeah, white should be on the better side of equal. Being on the worse side is like playing black. Choosing openings like that probably hits you for something like 20-50 ratings points.

llama51

By the way, I've faced the wayward queen, and it doesn't even register as something that annoys me.

But some openings do tilt me a bit when they're played by strong players.

For example:

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This annoys me because not only is it objectively bad, but it's copying the losing side of the most famous game in history. Anything less than an easily winning position by move 15 annoys me (and I don't always get it tongue.png)

miskit_mistake
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

*christians `defeating` atheists content*

what to do about wayward posters?

meanwhile i'm totally convinced after watching the 3 videos.  i'm converting.  who's with me?

llama51
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

 

I think the best life lesson chess teaches us is that it's not enough to like a move. If you think you like a move, first you have to find the strongest moves your opponent can play against it. After you've done that, if you still like the move, then go ahead and play it.

I've talked to various people (presets, monks, nuns) and googled online trying to find the best arguments for religion. I've found arguments a lot better than these.

Abo-Talia

Yes

llama51

Eww, and that 2nd video has Kent Hovind.

I was shown videos of him in my 7th grade Bible class.

He went to prison for tax evasion, and even other fundamentalist Christians have criticized his arguments as bad.

miskit_mistake
llama51 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

 

I think the best life lesson chess teaches us is that it's not enough to like a move. If you think you like a move, first you have to find the strongest moves your opponent can play against it. After you've done that, if you still like the move, then go ahead and play it.

I've talked to various people (presets, monks, nuns) and googled online trying to find the best arguments for religion. I've found arguments a lot better than these.

i'm shocked.  what would it take to convince/save you?  insurance included.

miskit_mistake
mhassan112514 wrote:

Yes

see? we have another convert.  join us!

llama51
miskit_mistake wrote:
llama51 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

 

I think the best life lesson chess teaches us is that it's not enough to like a move. If you think you like a move, first you have to find the strongest moves your opponent can play against it. After you've done that, if you still like the move, then go ahead and play it.

I've talked to various people (presets, monks, nuns) and googled online trying to find the best arguments for religion. I've found arguments a lot better than these.

i'm shocked.  what would it take to convince/save you?  insurance included.

I would say don't worry about belief, worry about knowledge. If you give me knowledge, then belief will work itself out tongue.png

miskit_mistake

no, no, no. we are talking about things you can't possibly understand.  you have to believe.  see, it makes perfect logical sense.  sort of like the wayward queen attack ...

miskit_mistake
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

did u even watch the vids 💀💀💀

yes, yes & yes!!!  save us st. nickolay.  bring us presents!

miskit_mistake
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

damn guys i wont argue against people with broken personalities, just like in the other thread good bye suckers

how rude.  wait, this is not the st. nic i know.  must be a false saint.

no presents i guess ...

llama51
SquirrellyMove wrote:

Here is a good video on it. You can watch the whole thing or go to 14:30 to see how a 1300 bot can easily lose to a 1500 player.

I'm really tired and I don't even know what we're arguing about.

We agree it's not a good opening.

llama51
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

did u even watch the vids 💀💀💀

I watched the first one. I'll address 2 of his points.

First, his distinction between atheism and agnosticism is good, however a good argument against people who say belief in God is equally as silly as claiming there definitely isn't a God is that it's reasonable to live your life as if something doesn't exist until you're given evidence for it.

For example, if I tell you there is a blue 1984 Delorean orbiting the sun somewhere between Jupiter and Saturn you're going to live your life as if that's not true. You're not going to say, well, who knows.

Second, he gets close to making an extremely common and bad argument you hear from fundamentalists over and over, which is essentially the false dichotomy of you either know everything or you know nothing. It's typically used against experts in e.g. biology who know things about evolution. The fundamentalist will point out that the theory doesn't literally perfectly explain everything, and then conclude that no knowledge exists.

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I'm not going to watch Hovind. I saw enough of him as a kid, and as I said, even fundamentalists say his arguments are bad.

I didn't look at the 3rd video.

If you want to make an argument make one, don't give me videos to watch.

llama51
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

damn guys i wont argue against people with broken personalities, just like in the other thread good bye suckers

You're 12. Go talk to other kids.

sndeww
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

 

why did you even post this

miskit_mistake

i'm only here for the presents

hudson_kb
Been playing the Nelson bot all day and haven’t won yet…came close…I think I need to sacrifice more against him.
sleepingpuppy
hudson_kb wrote:
Been playing the Nelson bot all day and haven’t won yet…came close…I think I need to sacrifice more against him.

try to trade queens