Speed of thinking is very important in chess

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Omega_Doom

I just want to say that it is wrong to think that speed of thinking can be improved by solving tactics or other study.

Speed is real thing. It can be really not synapses speed but amount of neurons that lead to high speed. I have solved a lot of tactics but still very slow and cannot improve it no matter how hard i work. I cannot solve more than 22(usually less) tactics in 3 minutes although i solved 47 in survival mode. In chess speed is very important.

Uninterrupted_Chess

Big thing that I wasn't doing for a long time was really practicing. Anyone can go through some tactics puzzles for an hour, but really focusing and really committing them to memory is what will actually make you better. Calculation speed is sorta counter-intuitive I've found, the longer you spend on your calculations NOW, the quicker they'll be later. Until you get old and miss everything.

Cheers! happy.png

Omega_Doom
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:

Big thing that I wasn't doing for a long time was really practicing. Anyone can go through some tactics puzzles for an hour, but really focusing and really committing them to memory is what will actually make you better. Calculation speed is sorta counter-intuitive I've found, the longer you spend on your calculations NOW, the quicker they'll be later. Until you get old and miss everything.

Cheers!

What do you mean by committing them to the memory? Usually i forget puzzle tactics very quickly and need to spend long time again. I can miss a tactic even if i solved it before.

One minute ago i was solving a tactic. First i was thinking long time for a wrong color. I have realized it only when i couldn't move a piece. Then i thought for a long time and when i solved it i realized i have already solved it before.

It is like my brain is not functioning properly and i need to think long time again and again.

Uninterrupted_Chess
Omega_Doom wrote:
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:

Big thing that I wasn't doing for a long time was really practicing. Anyone can go through some tactics puzzles for an hour, but really focusing and really committing them to memory is what will actually make you better. Calculation speed is sorta counter-intuitive I've found, the longer you spend on your calculations NOW, the quicker they'll be later. Until you get old and miss everything.

Cheers!

What do you mean by committing them to the memory? Usually i forget puzzle tactics very quickly and need to spend long time again. I can miss a tactic even if i solved it before.

One minute ago i was solving a tactic. First i was thinking long time for a wrong color. I have realized it only when i couldn't move a piece. Then i thought for a long time and when i solved it i realized i have already solved it before.

It is like my brain is not functioning properly and i need to think long time again and again.

Lol, by committing them to the memory I mean, just not solve it for the sake of solving because as per you, u cant remember the tactics that means waste of time sad.png .U should atleast try to retain some techniques used in the puzzles--> Like sacrifice, Try to think in the real game that way and apply (ofc if possible).

Also I dont think only puzzle solving will make our speed fast ..You need to be strong in opening so that u save time for midgame and endgame..

Lol i can understand the brain prob, We are bros in that XD..

Omega_Doom

In that tread i don't want to touch opening stage. This thread is not about chess as a whole but only about how fast we can solve a chess problem. Opening is chess knowledge.

Uninterrupted_Chess
Omega_Doom wrote:

In that tread i don't want to touch opening stage. This thread is not about chess as a whole but only about how fast we can solve a chess problem. Opening is chess knowledge.

Opening fast --->automatic speed fast xd

Omega_Doom
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:
Omega_Doom wrote:
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:

Big thing that I wasn't doing for a long time was really practicing. Anyone can go through some tactics puzzles for an hour, but really focusing and really committing them to memory is what will actually make you better. Calculation speed is sorta counter-intuitive I've found, the longer you spend on your calculations NOW, the quicker they'll be later. Until you get old and miss everything.

Cheers!

What do you mean by committing them to the memory? Usually i forget puzzle tactics very quickly and need to spend long time again. I can miss a tactic even if i solved it before.

One minute ago i was solving a tactic. First i was thinking long time for a wrong color. I have realized it only when i couldn't move a piece. Then i thought for a long time and when i solved it i realized i have already solved it before.

It is like my brain is not functioning properly and i need to think long time again and again.

Lol, by committing them to the memory I mean, just not solve it for the sake of solving because as per you, u cant remember the tactics that means waste of time  .U should atleast try to retain some techniques used in the puzzles--> Like sacrifice, Try to think in the real game that way and apply (ofc if possible).

Also I dont think only puzzle solving will make our speed fast ..You need to be strong in opening so that u save time for midgame and endgame..

Lol i can understand the brain prob, We are bros in that XD..

I know how to solve tactics and i enjoy it because it is great filling to be able to figure out a complex position that requires deep and wide calculation but i know nothing about committing them to the memory. Can you elaborate it?

Omega_Doom
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:
Omega_Doom wrote:

In that tread i don't want to touch opening stage. This thread is not about chess as a whole but only about how fast we can solve a chess problem. Opening is chess knowledge.

Opening fast --->automatic speed fast xd

Yes but i am interested here mostly in tactics. I am very impressed by recent tactic event where people could solve 60 puzzles in 3 minutes. )

Uninterrupted_Chess
Omega_Doom wrote:
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:
Omega_Doom wrote:

In that tread i don't want to touch opening stage. This thread is not about chess as a whole but only about how fast we can solve a chess problem. Opening is chess knowledge.

Opening fast --->automatic speed fast xd

Yes but i am interested here mostly in tactics. I am very impressed by recent tactic event where people could solve 60 puzzles in 3 minutes. )

Whoa 60 in 3.. Dats pretty cool

Uninterrupted_Chess

You will achieve that pal.. Keep grinding happy.png

mavalPRO12

This is definitely true

Omega_Doom
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:
Omega_Doom wrote:
Uninterrupted_Chess wrote:
Omega_Doom wrote:

In that tread i don't want to touch opening stage. This thread is not about chess as a whole but only about how fast we can solve a chess problem. Opening is chess knowledge.

Opening fast --->automatic speed fast xd

Yes but i am interested here mostly in tactics. I am very impressed by recent tactic event where people could solve 60 puzzles in 3 minutes. )

Whoa 60 in 3.. Dats pretty cool

I stated my opinion. I am not insane to think i will be ever close to what they can do, just impressed by their brain speed.

sndeww

They recognize patterns much faster than the average person. Repetition also plays a key role in stuff like puzzle rush, or puzzles in general. Those at the top of the global puzzles leaderboard use hard memorization.

DogLover4Ever

Speed is important in bullet chess, but, you should take time to think! (Not for that long)

nexim

I see you got a nice puzzle rating and good accuracy, but you also spend a long time solving each puzzle. This means that you've been training your calculation more than pattern recognition. If you want to speed up your puzzle solving process and pattern recognition, you should try solving only puzzles rated below say 1500 puzzle rating and keep grinding them. You should be able to solve easier puzzles faster eventually.

You can do this by going "puzzles" and selecting "custom" and putting rating range say from 0-1500.

Ability to calculate variations is important, but pattern recognition makes solving all sort of puzzles both easier and faster.

Omega_Doom
nexim wrote:

I see you got a nice puzzle rating and good accuracy, but you also spend a long time solving each puzzle. This means that you've been training your calculation more than pattern recognition. If you want to speed up your puzzle solving process and pattern recognition, you should try solving only puzzles rated below say 1500 puzzle rating and keep grinding them. You should be able to solve easier puzzles faster eventually.

You can do this by going "puzzles" and selecting "custom" and putting rating range say from 0-1500.

Ability to calculate variations is important, but pattern recognition makes solving all sort of puzzles both easier and faster.

It is hard to see what i am doing wrong. Usual advice is just to play long time controls but i have always been not bad at it. Thank you for valuable advice.

snoozyman
Speed chess is fake chess.
Omega_Doom
Tonya_Harding wrote:

In slow, classical Chess, speed thinking does nothing much, if you can't keep in the background of your mind, the lines you analyzed, when you're checking on four or five "candidate moves".

Forced lines, like forced checkmate in 7 moves, who cares if you see it faster or slower, as long as you see it in the time you've got?

So slowly some so wrong beliefs about Chess do grow in people's mind, out of too much admiration for Blitz and Bullet games and players.

Think straight: slow Chess is the real thing. The rest is fun and gadgets.

I am not against slow chess but i think ability to think fast is crucial too.
It is somehow ability indicator.

It is not needed to be insanely fast to solve 60 puzzles in 3 minutes but you need to have decent speed. 20 puzzles in 3 minutes where i am is too slow. Decent players can do at least 40 puzzles. And yes as a side effect i am sure you will be good at fast controls too but it is not the goal.

I just solved 3000 puzzle for 10 minutes. I think it is not bad.

But it took me almost an hour to solve a 2600 which is very slow. I like calculating everything to the clear end.

Omega_Doom
Tonya_Harding wrote:

No, speed thinking will bump into the exponential numbers wall. Judgement is way more important. After that, anyone can calculate 2+2=4.

It is not brute force calculation where we calculate all possible variations. Pattern recognition is helpful. But sometimes i solve similar to brute force. It is hard for me to see an idea and i am pocking moves in my head until something is clicking. I agreed with nexim. Pattern recognition is not my best. I need to train not 2500+ but maybe 1500-.

Omega_Doom

I agree that position evaluation is important but chess is not 2+2=4 sometimes it is insanely hard.

For good players to solve a puzzle which is hard for me is not a problem because of good pattern recognition.

And it is not possible to use only evaluation. Sometime it is required to find the only way in a complex position.