Stalemate should be a win.

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White should win.
In chess, you are forced to move every turn. No skipping. So why shouldn't this apply to a stalemate position? If you are surrounded on all sides and can't escape, then you should be forced into check.

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Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

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Not a win for white in this position, but for black cus their king escaped checkmate
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Pepsicus_Ze_Second wrote:
Not a win for white in this position, but for black cus their king escaped checkmate

You're not getting the point, it SHOULD be a win

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NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

Did you even read the paragraph? It should be a win in chess because a king with no moves without going into check should lose, because you can't skip a turn, so you should be forced to go into check.

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If you were to ever say that in my club, you would be told to leave. If you refused, the police would be called. Where do you live?

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1. stalemate happens when you are rated 500 and have 9 queens and blunder it

you should get a draw because you were probably winning but blundered

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MileTime wrote:

White should win.
In chess, you are forced to move every turn. No skipping. So why shouldn't this apply to a stalemate position?

Because moving into check is never a legal move in any possible scenario. Not to mention the game's main winning condition required the king to be attacked. 

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MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

Did you even read the paragraph? It should be a win in chess because a king with no moves without going into check should lose, because you can't skip a turn, so you should be forced to go into check.

Yes, I read your paragraph and I took the time to leave a comment on your thread. Checkmating is one of the big skill factors in this game - seeing Checkmate or not, getting Stalemate instead etc - these are part of what make the game great, and what separates people at different skill levels (not understanding Checkmate at all, missing when opponent has Mate in 1, seeing Mates in 2, calculating Mates in 4 etc). Chess shouldn't be made simpler, it is great as it is.

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NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

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Mid-KnightRider wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

Haha yes, but it was lack of skill that cost the game, so it's a fair result. Annoying, but you learn from it

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Mid-KnightRider wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

sounds like a skill issue

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Mid-KnightRider wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

If you think you're going to change a rule that has existed since before even your grandparents were though of because it makes you mad — as a result of your lack of skill, mind you — you might just be one of the most entitled people on the planet. But that's none of my business.

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Mid-KnightRider wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

What about the other way round - when you are losing but get a draw through Stalemate? I always enjoy those.

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NoemiS05 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

I HATE STALEMATE, I drew my friend when I shoulda won because of it, the king has to move, and then die.

What about the other way round - when you are losing but get a draw through Stalemate? I always enjoy those.

also, it can happen even at grandmaster level, because of touch move

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NoemiS05 wrote:
MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

Did you even read the paragraph? It should be a win in chess because a king with no moves without going into check should lose, because you can't skip a turn, so you should be forced to go into check.

Yes, I read your paragraph and I took the time to leave a comment on your thread. Checkmating is one of the big skill factors in this game - seeing Checkmate or not, getting Stalemate instead etc - these are part of what make the game great, and what separates people at different skill levels (not understanding Checkmate at all, missing when opponent has Mate in 1, seeing Mates in 2, calculating Mates in 4 etc). Chess shouldn't be made simpler, it is great as it is.

I'm rated nearly double you, I see more checkmates than you. I'm saying my opinion, that knight and king vs. king should be winning because they could eventually be forced into check. CHECKMATE occurs when has no legal moves that don't result in check, therefore stalemate should be the same.

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Chessflyfisher wrote:

If you were to ever say that in my club, you would be told to leave. If you refused, the police would be called. Where do you live?

Okay. I'm not saying it in your club, i'm saying my opinion on a public chess forum.

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MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:
MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

Did you even read the paragraph? It should be a win in chess because a king with no moves without going into check should lose, because you can't skip a turn, so you should be forced to go into check.

Yes, I read your paragraph and I took the time to leave a comment on your thread. Checkmating is one of the big skill factors in this game - seeing Checkmate or not, getting Stalemate instead etc - these are part of what make the game great, and what separates people at different skill levels (not understanding Checkmate at all, missing when opponent has Mate in 1, seeing Mates in 2, calculating Mates in 4 etc). Chess shouldn't be made simpler, it is great as it is.

I'm rated nearly double you, I see more checkmates than you. I'm saying my opinion, that knight and king vs. king should be winning because they could eventually be forced into check. CHECKMATE occurs when has no legal moves that don't result in check, therefore stalemate should be the same.

you can't force a stalemate with knight and king vs king

get out

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MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:
MileTime wrote:
NoemiS05 wrote:

Stalemate in chess is not a win because the winner is decided by checkmate. The King escapes to safety in the wilderness rather than being captured.

Did you even read the paragraph? It should be a win in chess because a king with no moves without going into check should lose, because you can't skip a turn, so you should be forced to go into check.

Yes, I read your paragraph and I took the time to leave a comment on your thread. Checkmating is one of the big skill factors in this game - seeing Checkmate or not, getting Stalemate instead etc - these are part of what make the game great, and what separates people at different skill levels (not understanding Checkmate at all, missing when opponent has Mate in 1, seeing Mates in 2, calculating Mates in 4 etc). Chess shouldn't be made simpler, it is great as it is.

I'm rated nearly double you, I see more checkmates than you. I'm saying my opinion, that knight and king vs. king should be winning because they could eventually be forced into check. CHECKMATE occurs when has no legal moves that don't result in check, therefore stalemate should be the same.

This isn't how chess works, sorry. In the very early years of chess, a Stalemate was classed as a half-win I think, but the rules developed over the years into what we have now. Far better players than us discussed and debated the rules hundreds of years ago haha - I don't think we can improve it.

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There is no immediate danger to the king during stalemate. The king is in safe place, so why is it a loss?