Stockfish is WRONG, HE SUCKS

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So far women are weaker than men at chess. And excuses like "yeah, because not so many girls play chess" wont change things. 

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Anyways, I dont care about women at chess, I care about Stockfish and his evaluation, does anyone else agrees with the evaluation Stockfish gives?!!!

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BronsteinPawn wrote:

Anyways, I dont care about women at chess, I care about Stockfish and his evaluation, does anyone else agrees with the evaluation Stockfish gives?!!!

Not having any counterplay does not mean you will lose. Black has more freedom than white, but can not necessarily force a win.

 

As I said, you can challenge stockfish itself, or even players of your level or higher on chess.com on that particular position, and take Black.

 

It's a bit sad that your more serious post did not get the attention they deserve, but I'm not sure making clickbaiting tollish titles gets you the kind of attention you're seeking.

 

Also, being white may require much higher skills than for black to play this position, but Stockfish brute forces most lines and assume perfect plays.

 

Finally, I agree that stockfish (or engines more generally) greatest strength is the tactical perfection, and maybe (I have o clue) they may lack some long term consideration like what's better betwen a 2 bishops endgame and a knight and bishop endgame, what to trade with endgame in mind, etc.

 

Still, this considerations often leads to weak (but worthy) claim like it will be a lot harder for that side, but line sharpness is not something engines condier when giving their evaluation, and their tactical strength give them a lot of ressource to draw even the hardest game.

 

 

As for my humble opinion of weak player, I prefer black, but I would not feel lost as white, although I don't have much experience in endgames.

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Thanks for your post.

Engines do have their own weaknesses, many correspondence chess players have said, that, and some of them already know the weaknesses of the engines and can work around them. 

As for me, I still dont know the weakness of Stockfish and positions where he suck at (appart from closed ones).

Yep, you are right, that engines do not consider whose position its easier to play for each side, that is why many people shouldnt follow engines blindly.

Greetings.

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BronsteinPawn wrote:

Anyways, I dont care about women at chess, I care about Stockfish and his evaluation, does anyone else agrees with the evaluation Stockfish gives?!!!

I just ran it through stockfish and it looks like white goes wrong with 23. Bg4. A lot of other moves would have been better for white there. The position was pretty equal before that move. After Bg4, the free tempo you gained expanding on the king-side makes the position increasingly difficult for white to play.

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How exactly is the position after 19.Bc2 equal? I know my opponent didnt play correctly, but I think the position after 19.Bc2 is far away from equal, how is Stockfish going to hold all of those horribles/blockaded queenside pawns?

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Stockfish can beat Carlsen even without using her eyes!

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Stockfish is not a female, see Silent's knighte5 logic.

Isnt English suppose to not have nouns with genders?
And in Spanish, fish is a male sound.

Sorry Icy. 

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Stockfish can crush all of us but we are the ones that coded that thing! WE ARE HUMBLE AND WILL DIE HUMBLE.

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4xel wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Women have the same opportunities as men to become GMs, there is no excuse not to become one.

Dude, it's statistical, if there is hundred more men playing chess at high  level, the number one won't be a girl. Maybe girls don't play chess as much as men because their X chromosome tell them it's uncute, maybe self confidence has something to do with size of balls, or maybe all of that is just cultural.

 

There probably are differences in the way brain work in either gender, but for me, it's unclear whether female are ineherently bad at chess (and we're only talking about top players), and Poglar's family tends to illustrate the opposite thesis, than education matters more than genes or gender.

Maybe girls dont play chess because the community is full of misogynist jerks...

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BronsteinPawn I did look at your analysis. But I am a friend of Macer75. Does that make me a troll.

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RookTheElevator escribió:

BronsteinPawn I did look at your analysis. But I am a friend of Macer75. Does that make me a troll.

You called me a troll, so you are probably blind to reality and MEAN.

You did look at my analysis yet all you could do is call me a troll and tell me not to guess Stockfish's gender when you cant even look at my flag and first language therefore?

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Stochfish is not a god so she coukd commit mistakes but that is very rare. 99% of the time, she is correct.

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BronsteinPawn wrote:

How exactly is the position after 19.Bc2 equal? I know my opponent didnt play correctly, but I think the position after 19.Bc2 is far away from equal, how is Stockfish going to hold all of those horribles/blockaded queenside pawns?

 

He probably didn't have time to run it through very deeply, as after just around 4 moves it slowly starts to change his evaluation in black's favour.

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Fish are males. Didnt you guys take Spanish classes?

I also thought nouns didnt have genres in English.

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Stockfish is neither male or female. Stockfish is IT, and IT will always be better than you.

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My Stockfish 7 shows -0.22 at depth 40.

The position is only lost for White with the sort of inferior defense you are used to seeing. 

Stockfish is calculating perfect defense for White.  So while you are correct that Black has excellent winning chances against a human opponent,  Stockfish is also correct that with perfect defense White can draw.

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SHOW ME THE BEST DEFENSE.

I also dont trust engines, at least mine says some retarded thing when you leave it on a position and then drastically changes it once you make the moves it suggests.

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BronsteinPawn wrote:

SHOW ME THE BEST DEFENSE.

I also dont trust engines, at least mine says some retarded thing when you leave it on a position and then drastically changes it once you make the moves it suggests.

Eh-Oh! 

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i look up to stockfish chess engine is very strong one of the best

but it still has games where it has been beat by other chess engine

and smart humans

i have never been able to beat stockfish my self but i have seen others get wins