Tactics vs Positional play

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Which do you think is better ? My opinion that it is much more difficult playing perfect defence than to develop threats . Which do you prefer to face , a strong defensive player , who will let you pound him the whole game , to possibly kill you in the endgame or a strong tactician , who wll expose his king and give you some counter-attacking chances and maybe a couple of pawns for a winning endgame on your part ?


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TalFan wrote:

...a strong defensive player ...


Do you think that the one who is good positional player can only defence? Then you need to see, for example, Botvinnik's games. He was very strong positional player but sometimes he made very good and beautiful attacks (with sacrifices, etc.) even vs. Tal - very good tactics player. 

 I prefer to face tactician, because I'm bad in positional game.


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A positional player will beat you and you won't even know why or how. At least a tactical player leaves you with the understanding of how you were demolished. Laughing
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I agree, I think you can do both, though of course I am not that good myself
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My hypothesis is that a tactician would prefer to be beaten by a better tactician and a strategist by a better strategist. I'm delighted when someone comes up with an interesting endgame idea and beats me. Perhaps we naturally have a deeper appreciation for people who think and play the same way we do.

 

I recall a game where where I won a pawn and then simplified to avoid any tactical complications. By the end of the game, my opponent was positively livid. Apparently I had overlooked several 4-move wins and had taken over a dozen extra moves to score. I also recall many games where I was winning until I overlooked some 'silly' tactic, and for some reason I was less excited to post-mortem those games.


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Reminds me of a game I played online. My opponent was very aggressive but ultimately was just full of cheap tricks and wound up down a couple pawns. I forced the trade of all pieces and the rest was technique. My opponent seemed to fall somewhere between outraged and condescending after the game, telling it was "just a pawn win."
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it's interesting because both phases, tactical and positional, stem from the same understanding of how the pieces interact. Heavy tacticians usually prefer to use this understanding to attack, whereas heavy positional players usually prefer to use this understanding to build up small advantages. I don't think one is superior to the other, but personally I tend to end up on the losing side of a more positional game (I like to think I hold my own in a tactical one Wink).


Avatar of ericmittens
You need both to be any good.
Avatar of lochness88
Im positional all the way, its the artistry of chess. Of course I can play tactical but it all comes down to your style
Avatar of greyfox

for me its easy to spot tactical play than positional play. in tactical play you know or will notice immediately what your opponent is up to but on positional play you will just realize later in the game that you are losing.


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Someone described tactical play as knowing what to do when there's something to be done and positional play as knowing what to do when there's nothing to be done.  Actually they are two sides of the same coin.  Tactics flow from good position and good positions rely on tactics. I think one of the hardest decisions in chess is to forgo a tactical blow for a positional consideration.  Tactics require deep calculations while position requires deep understanding.  But it's important to keep in mind that the great positional players have also been great tacticians ad the great tactical players have also been great positional thinkers.
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If you look at the great positional players they could also attack very well when thats what the position on the board called for. Petrosian and Karpov are two fine examples. I think the great players do both very well and play what the position "demands" of them. However their personal choice/tastes is what gets one labeled as a tactical or positional player. I think to defend well in a bad position is one of the hardest things to do in chess. Who likes to defend? Don't we all want to attack? So, we study to attack and not how to defend and wonder why we dont defend well in bad positions. Smile
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I'm agree with you batgirl you defined both of them exactly,postional play related to strategy ,also called bird view and tactics are short calculated manoevers that draw this strategy
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I think you need both, people say that most games are lost to a tactic to which I ask how did the threat of those tactics occur? I think that positional knowledge leads way to more objectively complex games and introduces higher level tactics. All of which is meaningless if you get to a position but is too complicated for you to win. At the same time so is forcing a tactic that doesn't work and would actually put you in a losing position, is that tactics or a blunder? For tactics to work objectively without hoping the opponent will miss a defensive move the pieces must be set up beforehand it occurs.

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@weaselgamer42 necroed this, I guess it thinks it's clever.

The oldest topics are in the summer of 2007. Try harder.

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In any case the OP mischaracterizes positional play as defensive. A common beginner mistake.

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I've probably only played 1 or 2 thousand games on chess.com, but my number of posts on the forums is probably 50-60 thousand.

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I had 1 account closed by chess.com, yeah.

1 out of around 100.

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I don't think so, but some people freak out at the idea of me closing my own account every ~3 months.