The Accuracy Rating On Here Is a Joke!

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Philipp1985

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Martin_Stahl
Philipp1985 wrote:

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It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Martin_Stahl
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

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It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

josephyossi
Martin_Stahl wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

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It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

ive had diamond for years, and ive used it plenty (my friend gifted gold, so i'll buy diamond again after its gone) and i can say that lichess accuracy rating is much better than all of the premium things on here.

fluffywhether
Yes accuracy seems like a proprietary sunk cost. For instance in insights average accuracy per move is pointless. It’s much more useful to have the engine centipawn score which would show you where games tend to tip.

Sred
josephyossi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

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It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

ive had diamond for years, and ive used it plenty (my friend gifted gold, so i'll buy diamond again after its gone) and i can say that lichess accuracy rating is much better than all of the premium things on here.

I play on Lichess as well. I've never seen an accuracy rating there.

llama47
fluffywhether wrote:
Yes accuracy seems like a proprietary sunk cost. For instance in insights average accuracy per move is pointless. It’s much more useful to have the engine centipawn score which would show you where games tend to tip.

How is it "much more useful" when they're essentially the same thing?

Chess.com doesn't give a centipawn loss, but what do you think accuracy is based off of?

Anyway, for any game I'm earnestly interested in, I've never used a website's analysis function. Engines and GUIs are free (but you can also pay e.g. chessbase, which I happen to have).

And the changes to chess.com's are rather clunky and I think geared towards absolute beginners (which makes sense for multiple reasons, but makes them less appealing to me).

Philipp1985
Sred wrote:
josephyossi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

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It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

ive had diamond for years, and ive used it plenty (my friend gifted gold, so i'll buy diamond again after its gone) and i can say that lichess accuracy rating is much better than all of the premium things on here.

I play on Lichess as well. I've never seen an accuracy rating there.

The accuracy rating on lichess is the centipawn loss. I find it much more accurate than this accurracy rating on here.

Sred
Philipp1985 wrote:
Sred wrote:
josephyossi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

.

 

It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

ive had diamond for years, and ive used it plenty (my friend gifted gold, so i'll buy diamond again after its gone) and i can say that lichess accuracy rating is much better than all of the premium things on here.

I play on Lichess as well. I've never seen an accuracy rating there.

The accuracy rating on lichess is the centipawn loss. I find it much more accurate than this accurracy rating on here.

You have that on chess.com as well, in addition to your accuracy rating, which is something very different. If you play a winning position and make a move that is +9 while the best move is +10, that is considered very accurate, though it loses 100 centipawns.

symahdi11

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Philipp1985
Sred wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:
Sred wrote:
josephyossi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Philipp1985 wrote:

.

 

It's a tool and like any tool, has it's uses and limitations. 

Yet this tool manages to be much sharper on Lichess. 

 

Can't speak to how a similar tool is implemented on any other site, just that Game Review and accuracy here, isn't the same for everyone. Depth, the player rating running the review, etc, all have an impact on the results.  That is by design. 

 

If you don't find it useful, then that's fine. I mainly use the score graphs and actual analysis values. Accuracy is just a rough gauge of performance.

ive had diamond for years, and ive used it plenty (my friend gifted gold, so i'll buy diamond again after its gone) and i can say that lichess accuracy rating is much better than all of the premium things on here.

I play on Lichess as well. I've never seen an accuracy rating there.

The accuracy rating on lichess is the centipawn loss. I find it much more accurate than this accurracy rating on here.

You have that on chess.com as well, in addition to your accuracy rating, which is something very different. If you play a winning position and make a move that is +9 while the best move is +10, that is considered very accurate, though it loses 100 centipawns.

 

I'll give you a position I played just recently....It is only a few move long, since I had to answer a call and quit. But this is ridiculous

 

fluffywhether

centipawn loss = change in the overall position vs your opponent. 

accuracy = difference between best possible computer move 

Both have their place, but as a beginner i'm not so much interested whether i missed a complex mate in 4. I'm more interested in how the move has shifted the balance between opponent

 

Sred
fluffywhether wrote:

centipawn loss = change in the overall position vs your opponent. 

accuracy = difference between best possible computer move 

Both have their place, but as a beginner i'm not so much interested whether i missed a complex mate in 4. I'm more interested in how the move has shifted the balance between opponent

 

No, the centipawn loss is exactly what you call accuracy.

fluffywhether
Sred wrote:
 

No, the centipawn loss is exactly what you call accuracy.

 

Fair enough, thanks for the correction.

 

Martin_Stahl
fluffywhether wrote:

centipawn loss = change in the overall position vs your opponent. 

accuracy = difference between best possible computer move 

Both have their place, but as a beginner i'm not so much interested whether i missed a complex mate in 4. I'm more interested in how the move has shifted the balance between opponent

 

 

The accuracy score is for the overall game. The move classifications are mapped to ranges of evaluation change. While each move doesn't give you a change of score metric, just the new eval, you can quickly see it be traversing through moves.

JMasterslice
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