The best chess openings that compels a draw against stronger person.

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GoldenGamble

I guess

KIA

KiD

Please share if you know.

:)

GoldenGamble

With your game and thanks in advance.

TalsKnight

you cant force a draw against a stronger player if he doesnt want to cooperate with you.

TheBlunderfulPlayer

Especially the Berlin Wall!

nparma

If such openings existed there would only be chess 960 instead of classic chess. A better player just needs an equalised endgame to outplay you.

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

For example if you use the KIA against me, you are going to see my h-pawn lol. KIA only works against sedate cooperative players.

Hnerf Attack!

TheBlunderfulPlayer

You're right. For example, the Berlin Defense (Berlin Wall) bores me to death!

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

@blunderfulplayer The hnerf is very good against kingside fianchettos in general.

That's probably correct, since the h-pawn can totally ruin the opponent's kingside when the time comes...

TheBlunderfulPlayer

The Benoni is too aggressive... If you're ready to win (or lose), play the Benoni. If you want a draw, AVOID IT AT ALL COSTS!!!

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

Or you can do it the best way which is improve yourself so you can match the strong player.

Well said!

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

@arjun One game, whether win or draw, proves nothing. Also, games are seldom if ever won, lost or drawn based on the opening.

Classic patzer superstition: if win, it must be becos of good opening, if lose, that opening sucks.

Laughing

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

In fact at the lower levels i'll advice more endgame study. It wont help u much to have the extra queen if u gonna stalemate him in the corner (very common with patzers). Openings only decide the "flavor" of the game. They dont actually win it for you.

 

But good endgame technique will win you games, true story. I'll post one of my games later.

Wow! Do people really fall for stalemate in such positions?

nparma

Just watch the first rounds of the World cup, going on these days. There you see matches between 2700+ and 2500-. How many draws you think there have been in such pairings? That will answer your question.

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

There were lots of draws, so what is your point?

 

Many chess games do end in draws.

Especially at higher levels!

nparma

Take a second look, abrahampenrose, the 2700+ who yield half a point, except for Leinier Dominguez, did so in the second game, which would qualify them anyway. Some like Ding Liren agreed draws in the 19th move. Some like Aronian were playing for draw in the second game but couldn't help winning.

nparma

I've taken a third look. The only 2700+ vs. 2500- pairing with two draws I've seen is Iljushenok vs Jakovenko. In the first game Iljushenok plays d4 and introduces a novelty in the 8th move. Might be an equaliser move, but I wouldn't say so as he plays the slave defense as Black in the second game, clearly not seeking the half point.

TheBlunderfulPlayer
abrahampenrose wrote:

How is that a weapon when most GM's avoid the "dreaded" Marshall Attack? And it's certainly not dreaded for its drawish reputation, lol. That would be a Berlin. 

Exactly!

Murgen

An opening won't compel a draw, especially against a stronger player (I assume we're talking at very least a solid 200 points stronger).

All an opening can do is get you safely into the middlegame... or not.

DiogenesDue
chessmicky wrote:
abrahampenrose wrote:

How is that a weapon when most GM's avoid the "dreaded" Marshall Attack? And it's certainly not dreaded for its drawish reputation, lol. That would be a Berlin. 

The Marshal is dreaded for its attacking bite. 

On the contrary, the Marshall is dreaded because of it's reputation as a drawing weapon. When you have white in the Ruy Lopez, you don't want to settle for a position where you're a pawn up with no winning chances. This has been well known ever since Spassky used the Marshall to blunt Tla's attacks in the 1965 Candidate matches

Nothing from the pre-computer era is really "well known"...it's all been/being re-evaluated under harsher lights now.  So, if it is or isn't now a drawing weapon (I am not here to argue that point), it's from modern analysis, not anything from 1965.

TheBlunderfulPlayer
btickler wrote:
chessmicky wrote:
abrahampenrose wrote:

How is that a weapon when most GM's avoid the "dreaded" Marshall Attack? And it's certainly not dreaded for its drawish reputation, lol. That would be a Berlin. 

The Marshal is dreaded for its attacking bite. 

On the contrary, the Marshall is dreaded because of it's reputation as a drawing weapon. When you have white in the Ruy Lopez, you don't want to settle for a position where you're a pawn up with no winning chances. This has been well known ever since Spassky used the Marshall to blunt Tla's attacks in the 1965 Candidate matches

Nothing from the pre-computer era is really "well known"...it's all been/being re-evaluated under harsher lights now.  So, if it is or isn't now a drawing weapon (I am not here to argue that point), it's from modern analysis, not anything from 1965.

That's pretty obvious!