Tetsoushima
You call that Reasonable??
Fischer would get his butt kicked if he ever had to face NN!
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btickler wrote:
In terms of greatest, I stick with Fischer. If you birthed every WC to date in complete isolation and gave them a chessboard, a database, food, water, and nothing but time and the rules of the game...then let them loose years later and had them play a tournament...Fischer would win that tournament.
But that is not comparing the actual players and their accomplishments, but constructing fantasy variations of them and hypothetical accomplishments. If you gave Sultan Khan and Karpov identical upbringing it is possible that Sultan Khan would do better than Karpov, but the actual Karpov accomplished more than the actual Sultan Khan, and that's why he is generally considered to be the greater chess player.
Maybe a Fantasy Lasker that didn't see chess as something he dabbled with on the side while mainly being interested in philosophy and mathematics would have beaten a Fantasy Fischer if both started from the same square and were equally dedicated to chess. Maybe a healthy Fantasy Tal would beat both. But it is difficult to talk about any certainties in such constructions.
But its Not only the quantity of accomplishments
Fablehaft u dont make the rules. If we just go by numbers why even open the thread?
TetsuoShima wrote:
Fablehaft u dont make the rules. If we just go by numbers why even open the thread?
If it all is so obvious "if we just go by numbers" that there isn't even anything to discuss I'm looking forward to see that "number" ranking of the ten greatest players ever :-)
fabelhaft wrote:
chuckfloyd2011 wrote:
Viswanathan Anand, is truly the greatest chesss player to ever inhabit this planet.
Just look at Anand's results as World Champion or latest title matches or world ranking. There's just no way he is the greatest chess player ever. Maybe top ten, but he's no Lasker or Kasparov.
Think about how fast Anand plays! He's purposely gimping himself so he doesn't crush everyone on the board!
TetsuoShima wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ok lets be reasonable if we want to ask who was wc the longest it was KAsparov.
If you ask who was the greatest and best, you have to say it was Fischer.
That's two wrong out of two :-)
Well the second is definetly correct
Nope not true, you are just a scrub cry baby Fischer homer.
varelse1 wrote:
Tetsoushima
You call that Reasonable??
Fischer would get his butt kicked if he ever had to face NN!
Do you even know what NN means?
Savage wrote:
Andre_Harding wrote:
To me, achievements (not potential) trump all. That's why I consider Fischer to be way overrated in terms of such lists. He should be in the Top 10, but probably not the Top 5 in my opinion.
Taking on the biggest chess superpower in the world singlehanded and winning is not a big enough achievement for you? That's funny, because I tried googling the other guy who beat the Soviets all by himself and couldn't find him.
Fischer could have had the assistance of many GMs if he chose to (many of them lived in New York City like him). I'm fairly certain that Evans, Lombardy, Robert Byrne, and probably others helped Fischer during his career.
And even if Fischer did do it "by himself," NO, that's not a big enough achievement for me. He only won 10 international tournaments in his career and, if I'm not mistaken, did not win any of the tournaments in his time that would today be classified as "supertournaments" (the Candidates tournaments, Piatigorsky Cup). Carlsen's tournament record blows Fischer's away, and I'm no Carlsen fan.
Fischer won two interzonal tournaments. Well, so did Larsen and Gelfand (Gelfand won his back-to-back, by the way). You want to place them in the Top 10 also?
Fischer won all 8 US Championships he competed in. Very nice. But take a look at the field in many of those tournaments! Come on now, he didn't face more than 2-3 world-class players in those tournaments. Now look at the players Leonid Stein faced when he won three Soviet Championships in four years (1963, 1965-66). No comparison. Stein also won two legit supertournaments (Moscow 1967 and Moscow 1971). Not saying he's better than Fischer, but just to point out that Fischer's tournament career leaves A LOT to be desired for someone typically ranked so high.
To me, Fischer's 20 consecutive wins is his most impressive feat. It's something chess history will never see again. But, winning a tournament (Palma de Mallorca 1970) is winning a tournament, whether by half-a-point or 3.5 points. And winning a match is winning a match, whether 6-0 or 5.5-4.5. It doesn't overcome the vastly superior achievements of other champions.
jambyvedar wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ok lets be reasonable if we want to ask who was wc the longest it was KAsparov.
If you ask who was the greatest and best, you have to say it was Fischer.
That's two wrong out of two :-)
Well the second is definetly correct
Nope not true, you are just a scrub cry baby Fischer homer.
ofc i am, the majority of GMs voted for it.
alkelhine was a really good player
yes he was very good
Oct 5, 2013
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steve_bute wrote:
ChessPlayer6033 wrote:
steve_bute wrote:
The strongest chess player ever was Vasily Alexeev; only an idiot -- or someone living in a cave and unaware of the Olympiad -- would dispute this.
no way #1 Kasparov #2 Fischer.#3 Lasker/Petrosian. He was amamzing
Vasily Alexeev, even blindfolded, could have crushed all 3 of them. Strongest chess player of all time.
Cut it out LMAO. Soon they will be demanding his FIDE rating.
@Savage
Did you even read the rest of my post?
Oct 5, 2013
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@Andre_Harding: If you think that the 20 consecutive wins of Fischer are his most impressive feat, what do you then think of the 25 consecutive wins of Steinitz? Where would you place Steinitz?
Steinitz opponents were amateurs
Fischers opponents were professionals as botvinnik called them
@LoekBergman
Okay - they might have overrated Korchnoi, but the fact of the matter is, Steinitz is no giant when compared to the likes of Petrosian, Tal, Kasparov, Botvinnik, Fischer, Capablanca and Carlsen, even Alekhine. Steinitz is actually a dwarf when in company of these players.