the birds gambit

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lebronjames6

It has come to my attention of a new gambit i have been playing for a while now,  called the bird's gambit, has not recieved much attention or theory for that matter through out chess

Bird's Gambit:

this interesting gambit caught my attention when i started to play the philidor's exchange variation, and then noticed c3 gambiting the pawn to fill my developing needs(bc4 instead of c3 is the morphy defense as part of philidors defense), it is interesting how this is potentially as dangerous as the goriing gambit, but is unused today through many chess games, now although the philidors defense( e4 e5 nf3 d6) is not played so often as i would hope, this gambit seems to not be very popular........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so can anyone tell me why this gambit is not popular?!, my rating is near 1900, i have played this in every possible position and won with such, now that may be due in part of opponent skill but i do not know lines at all and treat it as a goriing gambit, so something here is wierd for such an opening to go unnoticed by chess players....

i was thinking about maybe refuting the gambit by nf6 after c3, there are many possibilities from there, but thats for another day, if you have any questions about the bird gambit, i know many lines, after 3 weeks of theory and independent study on it :D, it is very good in my opinion, if you want to play me and find out the horror as black i will be waiting for you, playing as white for me!

hamis

Gambit openings are not very popular openings in this modern times but were popular during Morphys' times. Think it has got to do with the gambit player sac material w/out clear compensation to it.

And the name of your opening is called the Philidor exchange variation(C41) ECO code. Now am wondering where you get the info that it is called a Birds' Gambit. Could not find amy info regarding that gambit.

lebronjames6

here is a link to the bird gambit

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/C41_Philidor_Defense_Bird_Gambit

here is a link to the morphy gambit

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/C41_Philidor_Defense_Morphy_Gambit

Domain

cool

lebronjames6

cool!, this is cool, Cool, the bird's gambit is not cool, but awesome i think......!!

Kytan

I'm surprised that this opening is so uncommon.  It looks just as solid as any other gambit, and white has a very high win percentage on that link.  I guess people just don't like gambits that they're not experienced in?

lebronjames6

yeah, it is very similiar to the goriing, except im wondering whats so different about d6 than nc6...?

StairwayToTruth

Since I have absolutely NO knowledge of openings, would you mind telling some of the main lines you've analyzed in order to reach the conclusion that this is a sound gambit? Thanks, Lebron James! ;)

lebronjames6

agh! this will take so LONG

1wa

Lebronjames6...I just found your forum on the Bird Gambit. I would like to review the strengths of the Opening as I am unfamiliar with it.

lebronjames6

yeah im wondering after nf6 white has options: e5, bd3*, Qc2 are looking like the best 3 

Chapter_Eleven

I was always wondering what the opening was called when the extra pawn was gambitted for the Bb2 move, now I know it is called the goriing;  I remember an article telling how dangerous that one can be.  I always figured though the key is for black to know when to give back the material, yet I have gotten burnt many times as black when not playing very cautiously, so it is filled with dangers for black.

When I first heard of Bird's Gambit, I was merging it with some form of the Bird's Opening via 1.f4.  Now I know the Bird's Gambit is completely unrelated, as far as moves go;  I assume the same "Bird" player has had an influence on both lines though.  not sure. 

As far as the Opening goes, my meager opinion, is that it looks sound;  gambiting one pawn is more manageable (imo) than the two risked with the goriing.  Yet, it may not get a lot opportunity if none of our opponents play 1. ... e5.  (which I realize many do, but I am hoping to develop my exposure to the French Defense in time to come, avoiding any such e5 lines.   I do get tired of the monotony of always playing through the Spanish or Italian Openings or Two Knights Defense, so this is a nice alternative to those lines.  This is definitely one that should get more research, I wonder what Fritz says about it.

lebronjames6

the goriing is better as far as i know, i always go down 3 pawns in that opening in order to crush my opponent, for positional players the goriing is a dream game, for materialistic players that may not be your type of game, atleast not yet it is :D

ArchBadger

Hm it'll be dynamic anyway, as all gambits are. I myself have never played the Bird/Goriing/Philidor's Defense/Morphy's Gambit/whatever else you want to call it.

lebronjames6

rainbow rising i corrected it, rather i edited my mistake, thats my fault

MeatyOwlLegs33

Well i dont think its very common probably because black equelizes on the 4th move. I mean after 4... dxc3 5. Nxc3, Nf6 ( and I am going by best play) 6. Bc4, Nc6 

Black has a perfectly good position. I mean he is down a little in development but he is up a pawn, and with accurate play he should be fine.

lebronjames6

i understand your point, but usually i leave nxc3 until i know its important to take the pawn(development and castling are complete), also thats a goriing gambit position that arises quite a bit in games that ive played and seen, kingdoogie

defajo

i think i may have seen this before... i too have almost zero knowledge of openings... but i think i might have seen this

luvz_84
lebronjames6 wrote:

i understand your point, but usually i leave nxc3 until i know its important to take the pawn(development and castling are complete), also thats a goriing gambit position that arises quite a bit in games that ive played and seen, kingdoogie


luvz_84

can u send me sum games on dis variation..

i wud like 2 knw da basic lines thru wch attack comes.

as u said, Nf6, for black, i.e refusing da gambit wud ion my opinion for black.

as it wud give white as extremely strong control of centre, with nthng for black