kaynight wrote:
Battle of Britain in the air helped.
+2 ; our boys gave the luftwafte a good thrashing.
The 'screw it' principle
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Jun 11, 2014
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kaynight wrote:
What ho, old boy....Wizard prang on the Jerries.
"never in the field of human conflict have so few done so much for so many"....Winston Churchill.."we will fight them on the beaches and in the air and in the fields and on the sea and we will never be defeated."
trotters64 wrote:
kaynight wrote:
What ho, old boy....Wizard prang on the Jerries.
"never in the field of human conflict have so few done so much for so many"....Winston Churchill.."we will fight them on the beaches and in the air and in the fields and on the sea and we will never be defeated."
Well, we will see how the World Cup goes.
The advancement of radar technology was key in the Battle of Britain, land and sea
Hitler was a "all or nothing " type of military commander
Jun 11, 2014
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#47
kleelof wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
kaynight wrote:
What ho, old boy....Wizard prang on the Jerries.
"never in the field of human conflict have so few done so much for so many"....Winston Churchill.."we will fight them on the beaches and in the air and in the fields and on the sea and we will never be defeated."
Well, we will see how the World Cup goes.
Of course we must remember that in 1940 it was the battle of Britain and not the battle of England .England is the only country from Britain competing in the World Cup and most Engishmen and women confidently predict that our team will not be troubling the hoteliers of Brazil for very long. We do of course have hope , they can never take that away.
trotters64 wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
kleelof wrote:
And in England when they fought the Nazis.
Where would the world be without Britain ..by winning the Battle of Britain the Nazis were kept at bay and could not invade British shores . In 1944 the allies launched their own invasion of continental Europe from British shores and with the help of the Soviets in the east defeated the evil that was Nazi Germany.
Are we not forgetting the fact that the large majority of forces who landed in Normandy on D-day and fought their way through Europe to Germany were Americans?
Yes the Americans did some great fighting in WW2 but the allied invasion of Europe could not have happened had Britain not stood firm as it withstood the might of Hitler's forces on its own in 1940.
- I wouldn't call Dunkirk withstanding the might of Hitler's forces in 1940.
- The only reason Britain might not have won the Battle of Britain was the worrying shortage of trained fighter pilots. Everything else was in the RAF's favour. They were fighting over their own territory, so had no fuel shortage worries. The Spitfire and Hurricane were better than their German rivals in armaments, maximum atltitude and speed.
- The German fighters had to fly from France usually and did not have the fuel to stay long enough to protect the bombers.
- The bombers were of the light duty fighter type, which could not carry a large payload. They did damage, but never enough.
- At the height of the battle, Britain was manufacturing fighter aircraft at twice the rate of Germany.
- The Luftwaffe's losses during the course of the battle massively outstripped those of the RAF.
Yes, Britain stood alone for a while, but she had a pretty good hand to play.
Jun 11, 2014
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#49
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
I wouldn't call Dunkirk withstanding the might of Hitler's forces in 1940. The only reason Britain might not have won the Battle of Britain was the worrying shortage of trained fighter pilots. Everything else was in the RAF's favour. They were fighting over their own territory, so had no fuel shortage worries. The Spitfire and Hurricane were better than their German rivals in armaments, maximum atltitude and speed. The German fighters had to fly from France usually and did not have the fuel to stay long enough to protect the bombers. The bombers were of the light duty fighter type, which could not carry a large payload. They did damage, but never enough. At the height of the battle, Britain was manufacturing fighter aircraft at twice the rate of Germany. The Luftwaffe's losses during the course of the battle massively outstripped those of the RAF.
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
kleelof wrote:
And in England when they fought the Nazis.
Where would the world be without Britain ..by winning the Battle of Britain the Nazis were kept at bay and could not invade British shores . In 1944 the allies launched their own invasion of continental Europe from British shores and with the help of the Soviets in the east defeated the evil that was Nazi Germany.
Are we not forgetting the fact that the large majority of forces who landed in Normandy on D-day and fought their way through Europe to Germany were Americans?
Yes the Americans did some great fighting in WW2 but the allied invasion of Europe could not have happened had Britain not stood firm as it withstood the might of Hitler's forces on its own in 1940.
Yes, Britain stood alone for a while, but she had a pretty good hand to play.
You're not related to Lord Haw Haw are you?
I was gonna post some fantastic observation but at the last minute I said, heh screw it.
trotters64 wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
I wouldn't call Dunkirk withstanding the might of Hitler's forces in 1940. The only reason Britain might not have won the Battle of Britain was the worrying shortage of trained fighter pilots. Everything else was in the RAF's favour. They were fighting over their own territory, so had no fuel shortage worries. The Spitfire and Hurricane were better than their German rivals in armaments, maximum atltitude and speed. The German fighters had to fly from France usually and did not have the fuel to stay long enough to protect the bombers. The bombers were of the light duty fighter type, which could not carry a large payload. They did damage, but never enough. At the height of the battle, Britain was manufacturing fighter aircraft at twice the rate of Germany. The Luftwaffe's losses during the course of the battle massively outstripped those of the RAF.
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
kleelof wrote:
And in England when they fought the Nazis.
Where would the world be without Britain ..by winning the Battle of Britain the Nazis were kept at bay and could not invade British shores . In 1944 the allies launched their own invasion of continental Europe from British shores and with the help of the Soviets in the east defeated the evil that was Nazi Germany.
Are we not forgetting the fact that the large majority of forces who landed in Normandy on D-day and fought their way through Europe to Germany were Americans?
Yes the Americans did some great fighting in WW2 but the allied invasion of Europe could not have happened had Britain not stood firm as it withstood the might of Hitler's forces on its own in 1940.
Yes, Britain stood alone for a while, but she had a pretty good hand to play.
You're not related to Lord Haw Haw are you?
No, Sir, I am not and fail to see how my remarks should lead others to think so, even jokingly. I believe that the Battle of Britain has too often been viewed through rather sentimental spectacles, if that is not too clumsy a way to put it. If one takes a coldly objective look and strips away the excessive patriotism, jingoism and blatant bias in favour of the British effort, one sees that the RAF enjoyed crucial advantages, which I tried to outline above. I readily concede that I did not live through the period, which my parents did.
My impression of the broadcasts made by Lord Haw Haw was that they took a condescending line designed to undermine British confidence and determination. I do not, with respect, see how my comments make me appear like him. His efforts did not include outlining why the Germans failed to win the Battle of Britain.
kaynight wrote:
Good luck to England in the World Cup. Private Eye shows the players stepping off the plane. The pilot is saying " Shall I keep the engines running?"
I suspect it's the weakest team England has sent to a World Cup finals tournament.
MrDamonSmith wrote:
Oh yeah, I sense a grudge chess match about to happen.
Gentlemen, start your engines!
trotters64 wrote:
kaynight wrote:
What ho, old boy....Wizard prang on the Jerries.
"never in the field of human conflict have so few done so much for so many"....Winston Churchill.."we will fight them on the beaches and in the air and in the fields and on the sea and we will never be defeated."
"we will never be defeated" was actually "we shall never surrender". The other part which is misquoted, was "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few".
Jun 12, 2014
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#56
RG1951 wrote:
trotters64 wrote:
kaynight wrote:
What ho, old boy....Wizard prang on the Jerries.
"never in the field of human conflict have so few done so much for so many"....Winston Churchill.."we will fight them on the beaches and in the air and in the fields and on the sea and we will never be defeated."
"we will never be defeated" was actually "we shall never surrender". The other part which is misquoted, was "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few".
So you have proved beyond question that you have a pedantic streak..This is an internet forum thread and not a university seminar on the life and times of Winston Churchill. Nonetheless thx for putting the record straight.
Jun 12, 2014
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#57
kaynight wrote:
Was that when he was talking about expenses to M.P.'s?
spot on kaynight ..that's what the thieving toerags were like ..what's yours' is ours' was the attitude.
Jun 12, 2014
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#58
kaynight wrote:
Funniest time I heard that speech quoted was when supporters from an English football team were fighting running street battles with supporters of a team in Normandy. A reporter running along with the action asked a blood - spattered hooligan what he thought about it. He turned to the camera and said," We will fight them on the beaches........"
The English football hooligan is renowned worldwide for his sense of humour.
I usually refer to the 6th grade as, "my senior year".
And in England when they fought the Nazis.
Where would the world be without Britain ..by winning the Battle of Britain the Nazis were kept at bay and could not invade British shores . In 1944 the allies launched their own invasion of continental Europe from British shores and with the help of the Soviets in the east defeated the evil that was Nazi Germany.
Are we not forgetting the fact that the large majority of forces who landed in Normandy on D-day and fought their way through Europe to Germany were Americans?
Yes the Americans did some great fighting in WW2 but the allied invasion of Europe could not have happened had Britain not stood firm as it withstood the might of Hitler's forces on its own in 1940.