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I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.
  First you need to know that winning a chess game require both knowledge and calculation(processing power). When people get  older after 40, brain processing power significantly decrease. There may be increase in knowledge after studying for 10 years but you also need to know that there is memory loss in everyday. What is more, there is decline in brain processing after 30, more and more sigficant after 40(myelin sheath deteoriate signifiantly after 40) .  If he were 2100 in his 40s in 12 years ago, he would probably be 2000 at most in his 50s.
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For comparision, Is it possible to get 6 packs(body build)  in my 40s, 50s? Yes it is possible but extremely unlikely.

1. Ageing degrade muscle more in 50s than 20s,

2. Testosterone (hormore required for building muscles ) in 50s is much less 20s. 

So, someone in 20s can get 6 packs by doing exercises 1 hour by day meanswhile 50s require 4-6 hours per day.

Similar question in chess, a guy can still be a master in his 50s but amount of studies and hard work must be three fold or six fold than  20s.

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LT was not weak when he stopped playing OTB, he was already 2000+. Playing and analysing regularly against engines is a excellent way to improve in chess. If you do this during 10 years you can expect a great improvement in your chess skills.
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torrubirubi wrote:
LT was not weak when he stopped playing OTB, he was already 2000+. Playing and analysing regularly against engines is a excellent way to improve in chess. If you do this during 10 years you can expect a great improvement in your chess skills.

First, you need to know that playing against human and engines are too much different. There are still a few untitiled people who managed to get draw vs SF in playchess room ,chessbase engine server, ( no doubt , it was real) by just playing stonewall. Lydumil never get those games in public setting. So if you see that guy , you might think as "  GOD" who is 3500 rated human.

Hilarious!!

Most of LT claim vs engine win are blocked positions.,

If you play vs human, even 2000 rated people can sense those positons and avoid them. Getting from 2000 to 2500 is extremely hard, cos you have to beat those 2000 in  65% scores to get 2100. Again once you get 2100, you have to beat another 2100 in 65% scores to get 2200. That is why his rating would be around 2000, i estimate.

I saw some of his theorey with previews, most  of his theorey will be like GOD like knowledge cos you haven't learned those from other books/video etc,. But most of them are already known to us.

Nothing new.

All in all, my guess is that, he is around 2000 untitiled player. That is!!

 

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torrubirubi wrote:
LT was not weak when he stopped playing OTB, he was already 2000+. Playing and analysing regularly against engines is a excellent way to improve in chess. If you do this during 10 years you can expect a great improvement in your chess skills.

Sure. Analyzing with an engine is certainly helpful for improvement.

However, there were players 10 years ago who were already 2700+ in strength. And they've been doing the same thing: analyzing with engines, as well as with other GMs, during that same decade.

It's logical to conclude that a 2100 who's spent the past decade analyzing with engines isn't really going to be much better than a 2700 who's been doing the very same thing.

The 2100 will essentially be trying to catch up to knowledge that the 2700 has already long surpassed.

It's quite possible that the 2100 will have gained some knowledge that may have bumped him up to the entry-level master range (2200-2300 FIDE). To speculate anything beyond that, though, would really just be speculation at best.

OTB play would be the only way to put such speculation to rest.

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I have to say that I like very much the polite ton in the thread. It was not always like this. First WhardidImiss: not bad to draw against Stockfish. I remember Nakamura losing against SF I odd games. John Nunn stopped playing against engines already in the late 1990s.
The whole discussion on Lyudmil’s strength will remain highly speculative as long he doesn’t demonstrate it in tournaments.

To tell you the true, the whole story is rather annoying. I thought Lyudmil just needed some time to begin to play OTB, but I was wrong.

Perhaps this will never happen, and I am considering seriously to stop following the whole discussion if nothing will change concerning this specific topic. The discussion is highly repetitive, to say the least. Of course it is Lyudmil’s right not to update is rating, but we all have the right to unfollow this thread if things do not change.

Lyudmil, please tell me if you decides to play in a tournament. I think that after three or four official tournaments we will have already a clear idea how much your strength changed in the last 10 years. I wish you all the best.
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torrubirubi έγραψε:

I think Lyudmil is a strong player, much stronger than he was 10 years ago, perhaps between 2300 and 2500, but much stronger when playing against engines.

 

Apparently thinking isn't your strongest quality. 

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Player a----> I have to say that I like very much the polite ton in the thread.

Player b----> Apparently thinking isn't your strongest quality. 

 

 

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This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.
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torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.

 

Is this the same Lyudmil who claims he can only play 3500 in his dreams in a vampire chamber?

The latest I heard was he claimed he was 1500 OTB because of too much distraction. Is there an update here or why do you keep on mentioning him playing when he already said thats not going to happen?

Hard to say how Lyudmil's tactics are because he refuses to do even one tactic on chess.com. I'll guess its not because it'll prove his move times are fraud wink.png?

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What make me think he is strong is the quality of his games against engines. His games have interesting positional sacrifices and he is very good in preventing the engine counter play. But I really don’t know how strong he s against humans. This with 3500 was a joke, and I am quite surprise that people take this seriously.

His argumentation was that if he is able to win regularly against a 3000+ engine, then he is stronger than this. The problem is that we don’t have exact number about the games. Did he win 300 or 400 games out of 50 000 games? Or did he win 30 000 games? We don’t know.
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torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.

Let's see the two play a game then. Oh, wait that won't happen.

Assuming all LT's claims are true, he is strong in closed positions, against machines (who infamously do not understand closed positions). I'm not convinced LT would outplay a titled human in a closed position, but I suspect pfren would be able to just consciously steer the game towards an open position (using a level of awareness computers lack), and outplay him.

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"Secret" of chess: Just set analysis depth of 10 and you can "beat" any engine. Use takebacks when tactics "fail".

 

If people actually train in such a manner, they won't be able to survive in real games with human opponents. Using crippled engine games as a sign of strength, only works for the ignorant and deluded (or the fraudulent).

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torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.

If Lyudmil is so strong, then why hasn't he played in any OTB tournaments and gotten his rating to 3500? @pfren worked and got his IM title, what about Lyudmil?

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torrubirubi wrote:
This IM pfren thinks that he God because this title beside his name. He is since months trying to convince everybody here that Lyudmil is muuuuch weaker than him, and that he understand muuuuuch more chess. What should I say? Compared to Lyudmil he is a Patzer.

I see no indication that he, or any other titled player think they are "God" because of their title. In fact, I see the opposite. I see titled players here humbly recognizing their limitations. I also see titled players here rightfully questioning Lyudmils ridiculous claims. Are the titled players here better chess players than Lyudmil? Probably. Only because they have proven their ability. But that doesn't make them invincible. The ONLY person (notice I didn't say player) here who thinks he is better than anyone else is the person who believes he is 3500 in playing strength. Oh, that plus he now thinks he is a gateway or orifice to another dimension. I admit I once gave him the benefit of the doubt because I'm open to new ideas. Let me ask you, since you have read his books how much has your ability or rating increased?

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As as said already, I agree with everybody here claiming that LT should update his rating by playing some tournaments. So we should not go on discussing his topic as I would be defending another point of view.

How much did I improve since I began to read? I guess I am already 3200 or even better.

Okay, stupid joke.

I am not using his books so much to improve my game. I am more interested in the evolution of chess. Since years I am waiting for somebody to publish a book on middlegame using new insights based on computer analysis.

My main occupation is to compare LT’s ideas with those published in other middlegame books. Not the kind of stuff you should to improve your game.

But I try to use his books to analyse my own games, although even this is rather difficult for me, as his book has a lot of material.

By the way, people has to decide here about two different opinions: that (a) defeating engines is something banal because they are (so people argue) incredible weak in closed positions

Or

(b) he is faking the games.

Since the late 1990s GMs have huge problems exploring engines’ weaknesses, and today there is an agreement among GMs that winning against engines regularly is impossible. Actually it is even almost impossible for a super GM to defeat an engine in odd games. (See Nakamura vs SF).

For me there is nothing banal about LT’s skills.

About fakes: this would be possible but I don’t think this is the case. I also don’t think he is “take back“ in his games. He is able to defeat engines, although we still are waiting for him to tell us the stats about the games.
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Without takebacks, he will be toast in any tactical position. (He has NEVER mentioned tactics in any of his games - so he is playing those games under the assumption of tactical immunity).

 

Btw, if you can somehow avoid tactical positions in all human games, that would be some kind of skill. (But how do you know which position is 'tactical' under OTB conditions?).  It is much easier to just press that button and pass it off as 'skill'.

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Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Renato, Chris, BlackTower, GWTR, who disappeared into thin air and Ilovesmetuna.

It is difficult to be an AUTHOR.

Really really difficult.

I am completely on the edge, trying to put up with all those accusations and punitive actions.

I have NEVER had a more difficult profession in my life.

NEVER.

And I have worked in the public and private sector, a variety of jobs.

Please, anyone, don't even think of becoming an author, a real one, I mean.

You will not stand it.

Under the weather suddenly. I also have been having blood pressure issues. It has neen hurting my right arm to stay on my computer or hold a phone for long periods. I see a doctor tomorrow. 

Sorry to hear that.

I am even more afraid of doctors than I am afraid of pains.

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WhatDidIMiss wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Renato, Chris, BlackTower, GWTR, who disappeared into thin air and Ilovesmetuna.

It is difficult to be an AUTHOR.

Really really difficult.

I am completely on the edge, trying to put up with all those accusations and punitive actions.

I have NEVER had a more difficult profession in my life.

NEVER.

And I have worked in the public and private sector, a variety of jobs.

Please, anyone, don't even think of becoming an author, a real one, I mean.

You will not stand it.

It doesn’t have to be that way, Lyudmil.  I have written two books (edit: not about chess) that are still used as texts in classrooms today.  I don’t ask people to believe in my knowledge/expertise just because I say so.  I have demonstrated it for years with active participation in the real world, where people can see for themselves my skills in action.  Whereas you claim GM strength (to take just one example of your claims) while refusing to demonstrate such a strength.  So your claim is not credible.   Playing against engines in your lab doesn’t cut it.  

If someone expresses a negative opinion about my work, I don’t berate them for failing to recognize my genius.  If I do anything (depending how/where the opinion is expressed it can be possible to just ignore it) I thank them for their consideration, express regret that I have failed to satisfy them as a potential customer, and wish them well.  I have made very few enemies that way.

Good luck, Lyudmil.  You will need it.

That is why you are an ORDINARY author. happy.png

Real authors are crucified, banned, insulted, despised, denigraded and laughed upon.

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pretzel2 wrote:

lyudmil did claim carlsen was weak. the only reason you harp on some meaningless tactics trainer score is because you can't play chess, and for some narcisstic reason must prop up your ego. the tack you are taking is as intellectually dishonest as lyudmil's. insinuating that people who have had enough of his false claims are somehow cheating. lyudmil has lied about the reviews, he has lied about his results, and for some reason you want to lie about other peoples' accomplishment in order to minimize that. prove to me you are a decent chess player, and that i should take seriously anything you say about chess.

95-5.

I will beat you 95-5 under any conditions and at any place in the world you choose.

That is the problem: People like you should be banned IMMDEDIATELY.

Because you accuse someone of lying without proof, actually, with sufficient proof to the contrary.

Instead, many would do the opposite.

That is the problem with double standards now.

Bear in mind that, in 10 years' time, many people will revere me and my books will be far more popular than you can imagine.

And you will remain the same grumpy troll.