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Men, active only: Country rank by average rating of top 10 players http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml?tops=0&ina=1&country=
Average
GMs
IMs
Total Titled
1
Russia
2746
216
500
2175
2
Ukraine
2702
80
197
493
3
China
2670
31
26
125
4
France
2663
47
94
356
5
Armenia
2663
34
25
95
6
Hungary
2661
52
108
420
7
United States of America
2655
77
120
579
8
Azerbaijan
2651
20
17
79
9
India
2636
29
76
219
10
Poland
2635
35
101
332
Women, active only: Country rank by average rating of top 10 players
Average
GMs
IMs
Total Titled
1
China
2477
31
26
125
2
Russia
2468
216
500
2175
3
Georgia
2431
26
39
113
4
Ukraine
2413
80
197
493
5
India
2383
29
76
219
6
Hungary
2377
52
108
420
7
Poland
2352
35
101
332
8
Germany
2350
80
233
1196
9
France
2340
47
94
356
10
United States of America
2326
77
120
579
Most Chess Olympic Medals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_Olympiads
It all depends on how you define "strongest", but in terms of top 10 players' ratings, obviously it's Russia for men's chess, as it is for number of titled players, IMs, and GMs.
Russia seems to have the highest number of players in the top 10 (3 Russians), top 20 (6 Russians), and top 100 (25 Russians), and I would expect the pattern holds for 1000 too. I suspect that Russia will be top for most reasonable measures.
I'd be interested to see how the countries fare by population and number of titled players/olympic medals ratio. I'd guess Armenia would be top three, possibly first or second with that criteria.
sapientdust I can't argue with your reasoning here, BUT
I deliberately omitted a definition here, because my answer is going to be a "trick" answer that may not go over much better than the proverbial lead balloon
Party pooper!
These per capita comparisons are nonsense that favour small countries with a few outliers.
If a tiny country gets one gold in archery they will have a better per capita Olympics than China if China pick up every other medal. Even more ridiculous when you consider than you can only have a limited amount of entrants per event and they aren't suited to every one.
It's a little better for chess but still pretty meaningless.
Maybe, but it's always small countries that are favoured in per capita statistics.
Maybe, but it's always small countries that are favoured in per capita statistics.
Iceland seems to be tremendously favored. Take a look at the complete list with 134 nations and see how many small (and not so small) nations have only a handful or even zero GMs, IMs or even FMs. Iceland has 51 titled players out of 313,000 people, I haven't done the math for the other 133 nations but there's something deeper going on here than "small countries favored in per capita statistics" - IMHO. BTW many yrs ago when Iceland only had a measly 4 GMs out of about 250,000 total population they also blew away everyone else in the GM per capita dept, by a huge margin.
Yes, they are obviously a good chess playing country, I wasn't suggest anything else, nor saying that merely being small will mean you're likely to be near the top. Just that a country like China, USA, Russia etc couldn't compete.
My understanding is that in Russia there is very little in the way of organized chess for adult amateurs. My information however is very dated and definitely pre-internet.
Maybe, but it's always small countries that are favoured in per capita statistics.
Iceland seems to be tremendously favored. Take a look at the complete list with 134 nations and see how many small (and not so small) nations have only a handful or even zero GMs, IMs or even FMs. Iceland has 51 titled players out of 313,000 people, I haven't done the math for the other 133 nations but there's something deeper going on here than "small countries favored in per capita statistics" - IMHO. BTW many yrs ago when Iceland only had a measly 4 GMs out of about 250,000 total population they also blew away everyone else in the GM per capita dept, by a huge margin.
http://www.chessbase.com/columns/column.asp?pid=3
Russia being in first is no surprise since they've dominated the game of chess since its inception, but Ukraine at number 2? Didn't see that one coming.
Russia being in first is no surprise since they've dominated the game of chess since its inception, but Ukraine at number 2? Didn't see that one coming.
If the world wanted to over take the Russians they take their coaches. This has been done in Gymnastics and produced great results. Just take a look at the teams at the top in the Olympic Gymnastics and look at the coaches. Even some of the players. Look how many athletets leave their country to train where the elite train.
without a consideration for popularity and importance, per capita arguments also carry less weight...
Russia being in first is no surprise since they've dominated the game of chess since its inception, but Ukraine at number 2? Didn't see that one coming.
Russia hasn't dominated Chess 'since its inception.' Ever heard of Damiano, Greco, Lucena, etc? The Mediterraneans dominated chess for hundreds of years until the modern era.
The first Russian player of international repute was Petroff, who didn't come around until the early 1800's.
Get your facts straight.
You really cannot talk about international chess until the rules were standardized for international play in the 1800s (especially the stalemate and castling rules). The Mediterraneans dominated Western chess literature, but that was largely superior PR and constructed games. Players like Greco certainly had an eye for combinations, but no conception of how to play until he spotted a combination.
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Ukraine is really more remarkable, since chess is a favorite past time there, yet gets little support from the government. I was unable to find a chess club in Kiev on my visit there.
It's the main reason why Karjakin changed citizenship. He felt that Russia had more to offer chess players.
russia always has been as long as I been playing chess
give us about 30 years for chess to actually become more popular in schools and we will produce the best just like at everything
Another obnoxious American nationalist...
give us about 30 years for chess to actually become more popular in schools and we will produce the best just like at everything
Another obnoxious American nationalist...
I agree with Yereslov's sentiment BUT equating "American" with "USA" is also a form of obnoxious "USA nationalism" IMHO there are a few dozen other "American" nations in North, South and Central AMERICA. BTW I'm a "US American" myself