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Wits-end

The Arbiter rules for black. Black wins. The en passant doesn’t remove blacks’s checkmate and therefore cannot be a legal move. 

blueemu
Wits-end wrote:

The Arbiter rules for black. Black wins.

Correct. The relevant article is section 4.6 of the FIDE laws of chess, which stipulates that a move is completed when the moving player's hand releases the piece on its destination square. Thus, White's claim that the Black Pawn "never reached d5 to block the check" is false.

Wits-end
blueemu wrote:
Wits-end wrote:

The Arbiter rules for black. Black wins.

Correct. The relevant article is section 4.6 of the FIDE laws of chess, which stipulates that a move is completed when the moving player's hand releases the piece on its destination square. Thus, White's claim that the Black Pawn "never reached d5 to block the check" is false.

I sure don’t know the rules well enough to cite a section. But the reasoning behind the rule is logically sound. Thank you for the explanation and citation. 

Daarzyn7

I don't know. Wouldn't it be easier to base the mate on the claim the position was:


  1. Pc5/pd7
  2. Pc5/pd5
  3. Pd6/x (illegal position)

The "pawn was never on d5" can lead the argument into thinking that en passant captures the pawn from d6. No, it's an exception where piece (pawn on d5) is removed without another piece occupying its destination (pawn c5->d6).

wormius51

How about this one. No moves to win. Do you draw if you flag?

Ilampozhil25

interesting q-

here white meant to play c5, but accidentally played cxb5, told j'adoube, and timed out

black: i can legally win after the starting position so i win

white: i played c5 so its a draw

who's correct (i think black)

Ilampozhil25

the starting position means the position i posted on the board

blueemu
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

who's correct

You have to say J'adoube BEFORE touching any pieces.

One Yugoslav GM (Milan Matulovich) who used to abuse this rule in tournaments ended up with the nickname "J'adoubovich".

blueemu
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

ok what if he/she says j'adoube WHILE moving the piece

Too late. The rule is "touch move", so "J'adoube" must be said before the piece is touched.

Ilampozhil25

what if he/she told j'adoube(for the c pawn)

and as he/she was fixing the placement of the c pawn, it accidentally slipped into c5 and white claimed that was his/her move

is this correct?

(btw pawn going to c5 was not intentional)

blueemu

What if a meteor came down out of the sky, struck right behind the player, and startled him just as he was adjusting the Pawn?

I suspect that in the case you cite, the move would be considered to be made. The "J'adoube" rules refer to "adjusting a piece on its square".

BobTheBlob00

the first puzzle it is a draw because if the queen took the knight and then the game ran out of time then yes it is a draw the second puzzle idk what you mean by your flags falls pls message me what it means thank you and for the third one white is correct if your king is in check the only thing you can do is block the check for move the king you can't just move another piece as a move and still have your king in check so the  ruling that Arbier make is that white is correct pls correct me if i am wrong 

BobTheBlob00

my last post was for the first page 

Ilampozhil25
blueemu wrote:

What if a meteor came down out of the sky, struck right behind the player, and startled him just as he was adjusting the Pawn?

I suspect that in the case you cite, the move would be considered to be made. The "J'adoube" rules refer to "adjusting a piece on its square".

so it would be a draw

got it

Daarzyn7
Uživatel Ilampozhil25 napsal:

interesting q-

here white meant to play c5, but accidentally played cxb5, told j'adoube, and timed out

black: i can legally win after the starting position so i win

white: i played c5 so its a draw

who's correct (i think black)

Considering normal chess matches, you are not obliged to press the clock after a finishing move (in this case, c5 finishes the game, as it's instant draw) - but you need to actually move the piece. So unless c5 was actually made, it's not draw yet.