My secret for lasting a long time with a stronger player is to wait until the clocks start, go to the men's room, hide there until your clock runs out. You will lose on time, of course but then you can brag that he didn't beat you outright, you only lost because you ran out of time.
Tips for facing a stronger player?
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ZAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:
IMO playing for a draw against a better player is not passive at all. It is playing Solid and given the OP's desription of the rating disparity he will need to. By playing for a draw I am saying play to counter his moves and not gambit material for a win or try something fancy as its like the eperianced player has seen it before and then some. By play for a draw I mean play to keep it solid and equal for as long as possible and occasionally a clear winning oportunity will arise. In the case of lower vs. higher on this site a draw scores points. In a tournament a draw is .5 points and loss is Zero. If the opponent is that much higher rated the odds of scoring a win or very low so perhaps playing for at least some score is not bad advice...
Well Seraphimity, sorry to disappoint you but that is not how you play chess. You're supposed to achieve a better position as early as possible by controlling key squars and positional advantage. You will not get anywhere in chess (or in life) by being intimidated by people's status (in this case ratin). Take this advice from a much stronger player. Cheers.
Dude, seriously you are not "dissapointing me one bit" lol.. don't take yourself so seriously or presume that others do. Its not about being intimidated its about knowing chess well enough to know that a 400 point ratings gap is alot of chess I don't know that my opponent does. (little secrect: I'm not really playing for a draw) its my best analogy for playing a bit more spot on developmentally so as not to allow any early positional dissasters and get to more open midgame where hopefully you can make something happen. According to you anyone rated 1200 can just go around with a great outlook on life and start gaining key squares on 1800 rated players... not seeing it.. sorry
Seraphimity, firstly acknowledge that you are speaking to an expert chess player. Part of improving is learning from those who are more experienced than you. Secondly, if you succumb to just 'playing solid' you are settling on a passive, less aggressive move. I have learned this from GM Alex Lenderman. Cheers :)
Seraphimity wrote:
royalbishop wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:
in my experiance look for a mistake Early, as in the opening 8 moves. I have found often facing higher ranked opponents they will play an opening that is less sound figuring they are likely to get the advantage or simply be able to compensate with thier experiance.. When I do win against someone 100 or more points higher it is usually because I got a piece up early and was able to translate it to a win. Also, play for a draw and keep defending tit for tat. He make get impatient as others said and make a mistake. I am currently in a game vs. a 1950 where I kept making counter defensive moves and alas he blundered and allowed to exchange his queen for my knight! Now all I must do is close for the win. But basically play a solid defense and play for the draw, exchange out his queen or attacking pieces and be mindful ever of what endgame is like to happen, it may come down to having a more active King in a pawn endgame.. Gl!
akiljayakumar1 rank went down to 1934 in that open seek game. Who created the open seek you or him?
not sure why it matters as its just one of many games I play but I believe he challenged me after we got talking one day about something or another. Why do you ask?
When the difference in rank is that much (~300) the higher rated player most likely will not send out a challenge to that person.
royalbishop I have a 4 games with 1900 and above's. Some are from Team matches, some from an Invite only tournament a Simul game with MSC157 and other's from being in groups and just getting games together.
ZAPPPPPPPPPPP now you post on my Profile and call me Ignorant and belittle me because my rating is lower then yours. I ask you again to please stop addressing me personally.
Seraphimity wrote:
royalbishop I have a 4 games with 1900 and above's. Some are from Team matches, some from an Invite only tournament a Simul game with MSC157 and other's from being in groups and just getting games together.
ZAPPPPPPPPPPP now you post on my Profile and call me Ignorant and belittle me because my rating is lower then yours. I ask you again to please stop addressing me personally.
First time i had 2 responses in 1.
By this i mean from 2nd paragraph. Many players that are about +300 higher than their opponent and their rank is 1900+ feel it is not worth them playing. In some cases they are ignorant about it. The only chance they play these games in in Team Matches. Other than they will decline that type of challenge.
Hey have an issue take it to the chess board. Winner has the right to talk smack until the rematch. Smack talk raises my level of playing easily no matter what i am playing.
royalbishop wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:
royalbishop I have a 4 games with 1900 and above's. Some are from Team matches, some from an Invite only tournament a Simul game with MSC157 and other's from being in groups and just getting games together.
ZAPPPPPPPPPPP now you post on my Profile and call me Ignorant and belittle me because my rating is lower then yours. I ask you again to please stop addressing me personally.
First time i had 2 responses in 1.
By this i mean from 2nd paragraph. Many players that are about +300 higher than their opponent and their rank is 1900+ feel it is not worth them playing. In some cases they are ignorant about it. The only chance they play these games in in Team Matches. Other than they will decline that type of challenge.
Hey have an issue take it to the chess board. Winner has the right to talk smack until the rematch. Smack talk raises my level of playing easily no matter what i am playing.
I can see it as I can blunder just as easy against a player my own rating as I can some 300 points lower, lol. Seriously though I just played someone in the 1350's and within 9 moves on both games I managed to win his queen so yea, I can see where for some its pointless and really a waste of thier time, but rudeness is not needed. One of my failings is I can be a bit conversational and get talking so I believe the game we are referencing with akiljayakumar started out of some good old fashion chess talk. First game he quashed me good and so i think he just got sloppy on the second. I appreciate being able to go back and study my games against such a player; it is invaluable. And had I not moved the way I did I would not be in the position im in so whether he got sloppy or not, it was his error not mine....
Feb 9, 2013
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#49
Don't think in 1 minute about the ratings. That just makes you stressed. Be prepared, do your best and think about the game on the bord, not your opponent and his ratings.
Points doesn't play.
Good luck and win that guy!
Feb 9, 2013
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#50
And one thing..
When you play the game try to WIN!! The attitude matters. Don't play for draw or ''not lose'' You play for win.!! WIN WIN WIN
Remember not to forget thinking outside the box, and keep yourself centered with breathing exercises. Count 1-2-3 in, hold for 2, and exhale for 3, then repeat. Imagine yourself bathed in white light when doing these too.
wandering the river Styx which flows directly through the 9th plane of chess hell I imagine this is what it will look like when I beat an Elo 2000 player..
Don't let his higher rating make you nervous. He's hoping that you'll be nervous and thus make stupid mistakes. Just be calm and never panic, no matter what he pulls and you'll come out fine.
topJKMonkey wrote:
Don't let his higher rating make you nervous. He's hoping that you'll be nervous and thus make stupid mistakes. Just be calm and never panic, no matter what he pulls and you'll come out fine.
Never crosses my mind. As he should win but has to prove it. So they have all the pressure. If they lose they have to wonder what went wrong in the game. Shame on me .... i will even play the part of a weak and confused player. I say comments that make him/her feel superior and most fall for it everytime. Feed the ego which relaxes the mind.
Seraphimity wrote:
royalbishop wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:
in my experiance look for a mistake Early, as in the opening 8 moves. I have found often facing higher ranked opponents they will play an opening that is less sound figuring they are likely to get the advantage or simply be able to compensate with thier experiance.. When I do win against someone 100 or more points higher it is usually because I got a piece up early and was able to translate it to a win. Also, play for a draw and keep defending tit for tat. He make get impatient as others said and make a mistake. I am currently in a game vs. a 1950 where I kept making counter defensive moves and alas he blundered and allowed to exchange his queen for my knight! Now all I must do is close for the win. But basically play a solid defense and play for the draw, exchange out his queen or attacking pieces and be mindful ever of what endgame is like to happen, it may come down to having a more active King in a pawn endgame.. Gl!
akiljayakumar1 rank went down to 1934 in that open seek game. Who created the open seek you or him?
not sure why it matters as its just one of many games I play but I believe he challenged me after we got talking one day about something or another. Why do you ask?
Yes by following certain guidelines / chess theory you can win the game. But chess is about strategy. I myself and know a couple players that on purpose violated some of these strategies as i knew it would confuse the opponent.
A couple of openings give away the center in the beginning to later attack it. And if this is your plan then you have to know when it is not in your favor and make adjustments.
Feb 9, 2013
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#56
I disagree: I think you are far less likely to beat a strong player right out of the opening.
Be aggressive- passive defense essentially means you'll get squished like a bug.
just get all your pieces devoloped and don't do any sac's unless you are sure
Play cautiously. Remember, if you do not make a mistake, he cannot win. Simply play restrained, simplistic chess. Try to exchange material early on and avoid complications.
mottsauce wrote:
I disagree: I think you are far less likely to beat a strong player right out of the opening.
Be aggressive- passive defense essentially means you'll get squished like a bug.
What i am saying is playing with a strategy. Never said it was a good or bad strategy. At some time all of us have played a not so sound strategy and won. A couple times i pulled out a weak and forgotten opening against higher rated player. My strategy was simple they thought i was playing one opening and when they realized it was not i then managed to get them into a position that favored me in the game.
But whatever strategy you use against a stronger player it should be something you have experience using it and have confidence in it.
Feb 10, 2013
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#60
everyone suggesting to play solid and avoid complications are setting you up to fail, a stronger player will most likely grind out a win in these situations. you must make the game as tactical and aggressive as possible and hope your opponent messes up up first. also if you aren't confident in you opening preperation just play sidelines which would make it harder for a your opponent to develope an opening advantage!
in my experiance look for a mistake Early, as in the opening 8 moves. I have found often facing higher ranked opponents they will play an opening that is less sound figuring they are likely to get the advantage or simply be able to compensate with thier experiance.. When I do win against someone 100 or more points higher it is usually because I got a piece up early and was able to translate it to a win. Also, play for a draw and keep defending tit for tat. He make get impatient as others said and make a mistake. I am currently in a game vs. a 1950 where I kept making counter defensive moves and alas he blundered and allowed to exchange his queen for my knight! Now all I must do is close for the win. But basically play a solid defense and play for the draw, exchange out his queen or attacking pieces and be mindful ever of what endgame is like to happen, it may come down to having a more active King in a pawn endgame.. Gl!
akiljayakumar1 rank went down to 1934 in that open seek game. Who created the open seek you or him?
not sure why it matters as its just one of many games I play but I believe he challenged me after we got talking one day about something or another. Why do you ask?