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valentina0892

Hi experts,

What happens if I ( my name is Valentina) offer a draw to  my chess partner for example named Tony who accepts the draw offered to him.

Will Tony win and get all the points when he accepts the draw and I will lose with losing minimal number of points? Or vice-versa? I win and get all the points that belong to a winner and Tony will lose and will lose minimal number of points?

NimzoRoy

Huh? If you're talking about the rules here you each get a 0.5 pt for a draw, otherwise the winner gets 1 pt and the loser 0 pts. 

http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/82/0/what-happens-when-there-is-a-tied-score-and-what-is-the-tie-break

If you're talking about tie break pts read this, it's what they use here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonneborn-Berger_system

This explains the rating system they use here. You can probably understand it IF you passed Trig and Calculus in HS or college.

http://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-ratings---how-they-work

Scottrf

If you offer a draw and he accepts, nobody wins or loses, you draw. Doesn't matter who offers.

As for the effect on your rating, if you both have the same rating it wont change. If your opponent has a higher rating yours will increase (but not as much as for a win), if they have a lower rating yours will decrease.

valentina0892

Thank you this is good to know.
How about if I resign? If I resign will I lose? Will he winn and will get all the winner points? 

valentina0892

and if I resign I will lose and lose minimal number of points probably..?

Sred

The number of points you lose does not depend on the way you lost the game. You can lose by checkmate, timeout or resignation - it's all the same. A loss is a loss is a loss.

valentina0892

Thank you for reply Sred, but this does not explain why this report available along with each chess game rated:

Show rating adjustments:

Rated - Win: +53  Loss: -78  Draw: -13

I noticed depending on the way you finish the game, the respective number of points you lose, you may lose -13 if it is a draw, but if you resign probably you lose -78 if you are not a winner. Or normal loss would be -78 but resign or draw -13 for the loser? 

ViktorHNielsen

Lets say you have a rating of 1500. You start a game of chess with a player which is rated 1600.

Now, the player with 1600 is obvious better (on paper). But he shouldn't win all the time. He has around 60% chance of winning. If you play 100 games with him, then you will get around 40 points (80 draws and 20 looses or 60 looses and 40 wins, or something in between).

Therefor, he will have to score 0,60 to keep his rating. However, you can't. You either get 1,0 (win), 0,5 (draw), or 0,00 (lose).

You will have to score 0,40. That is also impossible in 1 game.

If you draw, he will lose a few points because he was supposed to score 0,6, and you will gain a few points because of you was supposed to only score 0,4.

You play another game. However, since you got around 1510 and he got 1590, he will only have to score 0,57 to keep his rating. You will now have to score 0,43 to keep you rating. If you keep drawing, you are just as good as him, and therefor you will both end up somewhere around 1550.

Lucidish_Lux
valentina0892 wrote:

Thank you for reply Sred, but this does not explain why this report available along with each chess game rated:

Show rating adjustments:

Rated - Win: +53  Loss: -78  Draw: -13

I noticed depending on the way you finish the game, the respective number of points you lose, you may lose -13 if it is a draw, but if you resign probably you lose -78 if you are not a winner. Or normal loss would be -78 but resign or draw -13 for the loser? 

If you win by checkmating your opponent, by your opponent timing out, or by your opponent resigning, you would gain 53 points. If you draw, by one of you offering a draw and the other accepting (doesn't matter who), by claiming a draw after the 50-move rule, by claiming a draw by 3fold repetition, or by stalemate, you would lose 13 points (because you're rated higher than your opponent), and if you lost by your opponent checkmating you, by you resigning, or by you timing out, you would lose 78 points.

The result and the ratings of the players determine how the ratings will be adjusted after the game. The way you get to the result (resign vs checkmate) is not relevant.

Sred
valentina0892 wrote:

Thank you for reply Sred, but this does not explain why this report available along with each chess game rated:

Show rating adjustments:

Rated - Win: +53  Loss: -78  Draw: -13

I noticed depending on the way you finish the game, the respective number of points you lose, you may lose -13 if it is a draw, but if you resign probably you lose -78 if you are not a winner. Or normal loss would be -78 but resign or draw -13 for the loser? 

You do realize that there is no loser in the case of a draw?

valentina0892

ViktorHNielsen,  that is very interesting. I did not know the rating has that deep meaning..

Lucidish_Lux that is clear to me now. Good information you provided.

Sred, yes I got it now!

Thanks to all!