Traxler Counter-Attack

Suvel

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ThrillerFan

You were Black?  Quit playing it now!  It's busted!

5.Bxf7+! (instead of Knight Takes) followed by 6.Bd5.  Black's Dead!

Suvel

no, have you ever heard of the traxler counter attack... it's tremendous for black.

p-wnattack

what is wrong with Bg4 trapping the queen. this is probably why it isn't theory

Suvel

oh...Bg4 is the move...thanks guys

Conquistador

According to theory, 8...Bg4 is almost winning for black.

5.Bxf7+ is fine for black.  At best it is a half pawn disadvantage at most (which comes from the 6.Bb3 variation).  If there is a line to try to bust the gambit, it would have to lie in 5.d4 although nobody plays that line.

Mallies

The Traxler is risky because if white know's their theory they can survive the attack with a large material advantage. It's very sharp with lots of chances for mistakes by both sides. If you learn the lines you can get a lot of wins against players who aren't as well prepared.

Here's the best continuation of that line: 

Mallies

Correct, in that variation white is losing. That's the continuation of the line Suval posted with 8.Bxd5?. Best play by white is 8.exd5 followed by 9.d6. Black has a strong attack and a big lead in development but is down a whole rook. It's a very tricky line. Theory gives white a winning advantage but in practice many more games have been won by black. White normally tries to avoid this line by playing 5.Bxf7.

pfren

5.Bxf7+ is a lot of fun, actually. For white, that is.

6.Bd5 is equally strong to 6.Bb3, and certainly easier to handle as white. Almost "simple"- the only thing to have in mind is when to chop the c6 knight, and when/which side to castle.

5.Nxf7 isn't that bad, but it should be attributed with one and a half question mark: white unneccesarily complicates matters a lot, instead of grabbing a free pawn for little (if any) compensation.

batgirl

"I was playing this against my brother yesterday and he played this move! I was so confused because now the e4 square is covered."

Doesn't 8...Bg4 win the Queen?

upen2002

hi all

policegooberpicker

so good

marmistrzmar

So what if white plays 5. Bxf7+, how should black react then?

It's all nice if the knight takes, but what should black do if bishop does?

cooldude25000

If I am allowed to say so, gjchess on youtube does a nice video on the traxler, he doesn't go into great detail, but it is a great introduction to the traxler, oh, it can also get you a few wins against the unprepared.

pfren
cooldude25000 wrote:

If I am allowed to say so, gjchess on youtube does a nice video on the traxler, he doesn't go into great detail, but it is a great introduction to the traxler, oh, it can also get you a few wins against the unprepared.

gjchess videos are stupid, and their author has the tendency to delete the comments that prove his "analysis" is complete bullshit.

umirin1991
pfren wrote:
cooldude25000 wrote:

If I am allowed to say so, gjchess on youtube does a nice video on the traxler, he doesn't go into great detail, but it is a great introduction to the traxler, oh, it can also get you a few wins against the unprepared.

gjchess videos are stupid, and their author has the tendency to delete the comments that prove his "analysis" is complete bullshit.

 

this.

he reccommends the colorado gambit as black.

the 5 games ive played as white against it, ive crushed it with little to no effort. and i rarely ever play e4.

 

his FIDE rating is low 1700.

i can beat him lolz and im a terrible 1850

 

some youtube channels are made specifically to make money, and gjchess is one of those.

JohnPointer

What YouTube channels are good, then? Is MSK Chess good? What about Vlad Lilov or whatever his name is? Any others?

JohnPointer

??? ^^^^^

JohnPointer

thanks owltuna

I_Am_Second
Suvel wrote:

no, have you ever heard of the traxler counter attack... it's tremendous for black.

One time i played the Traxler Super Secret Triple Probation, Thaw Before Microwaving Attack.  I went back in time for 3 minutes, and came back, and Laverne and Shirley was on.  I dont play it anymore...