True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides

monkey   It is true that most players make many mistakes in  their game. However these mistakes usually create a win for one side or another.

But all of this is not relevant as you seem to be missing what is the question of this forum?

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Plato there is a ton of evidence that chess is a draw---that is why the very best players know or assume chess is a draw.  

The stronger the player--the more likely he will consider the evidence and know or assume chess is a draw.

When the super grand masters plot their future opening play--they assume chess is a draw in their deliberations. 

But it's mostly just ponz doing his best impersonation of a broken record.

It doesn't matter what a grandmaster assumes. If the worlds best chess player plays against the worlds best computer, the grandmaster (with all his assumptions) will get clobbered. In that situation, just like when anyone else plays with a 600 or 700 point rating difference, it's not a draw. One side has a huge advantage. The reasons so many grandmasters play for a draw is because they are so similar in ability. Two sides playing almost the same will of course result in a lot of draws. But even then, the top computers playing each other dont always end in draws. That's because best play is still being discovered. It hasn't happened, at least not yet. 

You are downgrading the knowledge the best players have of chess. You are also downgrading the evidence that chess is a draw.  I would bet you do not even know what the evidence is??

The very best chess engine cannot give an opinion of chess is a draw or not?  If they were self aware, of course, they too would agree with the best human players that chess is a draw.  But if you believe this sentence in this paragraph or not--the only people or chess engines which can give an opinion on this subject are humans. 

The best humans have FAR more chess knowledge than you think.  They do not lose to chess engines because they don't understand the game--they lose because move after move the chess engines can "view" millions or tens of millions of positions and of course a human cannot do this. 

Regarding a "perfect game" by this and for this forum we are defining a "perfect game" as a game where neither side makes an error which would change the result of the game. Of course 99% of the players cannot play this way. But sometimes the best humans and also the best chess engines can play a "perfect game".There very probably have been hundreds of thousands of perfect games played. [or more]  Nobody is denying the chance that a perfect game can be played. Even a class A player MIGHT stumble into a perfect game.

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If you play the world's very best chess engine [Alpa Zero maybe?] against itself in a long match I would bet you would get a whole lot of draws.

If you played every game at the very best, and that game did not involve luck, you would get either a win by the side with a slight advantage, or a draw.

Horrible   Yes, that is true IF ONE SIDE PLAYED played at the very best and if the game did not involve luck--that side would get either a win or a draw. 

However if both sides played at the very best--the result would be a draw.

Ok for one, nobody has proved wether or not it is a draw. There are only beliefs.

I read it on AlphaZero's paper: "Indeed it is believed that the optimal solution to chess is a draw (17, 20, 30)

References:

17. John Knudsen. Essential Chess Quotations. iUniverse, 2000
20. Emanuel Lasker. Common Sense in Chess. Dover Publications, 1965
30. Wilhelm Steinitz. The Modern Chess Instructor. Edition Olms AG, 1990. "

Personally i believe it is a draw. First because matches of players with equal strength usually end in a draw. Second because, i bet my soul, if you put the starting position with only the king and 8 pawns for either side, it would be a draw. If you put the queens back, its a draw. If instead of the queens, the rooks, it is a draw. And so on, each leads me to believe a perfect play is a draw

It's the knights that make it a forced win from the start for one side. With perfect play that is.

It draws a lot.

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If you put two strong engines against each other, on the same computer, they draw more often than not. Source: Alphazero paper, pages 5 and 6

On a match of Alphazero against itself, (in a chess variant where castling isn't allowed), it drew most games: Source: Kramink's Chess.com article

And in Fat Fritz vs Stockfish 10 match, they drew 79/100. Source: Fat Fritz defeated Stockfish 8 with a score greater than Alphazero's btw

I'm skeptical that Fat Fritz did so well, this match by CCC turned the tables quite a bit:

https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship#event=fat-fritz-vs-stockfish

I do not think chess is a draw with best play.why? Because if you show the starting position to a computer it wil give white an advantage 

I'm surprised, the link i gave showed Fritz winning. I also didn't know about this section of chess.com, i'll take a good look

Still, engines draw a lot

An advantage is not the same as winning, it's just an advantage, wether it be material or positional. Even chess masters believe that white has an edge but the game is drawn with perfect play.

Engines have a limited number of moves they can brute force, and then they analyse the position and give a hunch. Want an example? Stockfish 11 gives this position a -2 evaluation. However, white has #15. Well, if black lets white bring back the queen, it's more than 15, but black might as well resign then.

For the solution of that position, here it is. Go to 5:45 if you're in a hurry