B) I don't know... take the win by just moving to and fro and not really doing anything chess-related, doesn't strike me as particularly bright...
C) Also here... I don't believe that he deserves to win actually, but I don't feel I deserve it either. A draw is a rather logical result in this case.
I don't make any assumptions about where my opponent "intended" to move, and I don't expect people to do the same for me when I make a mouse slip. This can happen when, for example in bullet, you try to move faster and end up slipping. Well, it could be argued that the people who are more careful about not mouse slipping are taking the sacrifice of not saving a second or two (they'll click and drag a little more slowly to make sure they don't mouse slip). If you want to move just a little bit faster and be careless with your mouse, ok, you may save a few seconds, but you do so at your own risk -- a mouse slip can cost you your queen or your king sometimes.
I simply don't like the fact that I have to make some sort of guess (even a reasonable guess) about where my opponent wanted to play simply because he wasn't responsible with his mouse (it's not a sin or anything, but I think it takes attitude to think you are entitled to having your opponent go through the trouble to make sure everything works out for you, yet you are the one who messed up).
In case B I would take the win. I view chess holistically: there is the mental thinking, there is the time management, and even the physical movement of the pieces (or the mouse) can play a small role, as it would here. Reaching a drawn position with taking less time than your opponent is a strategy that's part of the game too -- it's better play to reach a drawn position while having left two minutes for you to physically move the pieces, than it is to do the exact same thing except only have one minute for it. So in that case I would "press" for the win by using the advantage I built up -- my time advantage.
All depends on the rules of course -- with increment the time advantage wouldn't matter, but without increment, you have to be much more careful with how you spend your time.
I had a won game and made a mouse slip and saced my queen..haha
my opponent was gracious and offered me a draw which I felt was reasonable ..He was and is a gentleman and a scholar
I recently played f3 instead of fxe3 (mouse slip) in a blitz game, costing me a piece. Frustrating as it was, yes I think I deserved what I got -- the opponent shouldn't have to take time out to figure out if I intended somewhere else or I somehow hallucinated and thought I could sac a piece (stranger things can happen in chess). Then of course my opponent would have to figure out how to make a move so that it's "as if" I played fxe3. Just for putting my opponent in that kind of uncertain position makes it feel totally deserved that I lost.
If I wanted to take the piece, I should have made sure I was actually playing the move I intended.
A) Decline, then kick his butt. It is up to the player who did NOT slip to offer a draw in that position, and rescue their opponent. The player who did slip offering a draw there is just rude.
B) Forcing wins like that is everyday occurence in bullet, blitz chess. Just part of the game. I wouldn't feel guilty declining a draw there. I can understand if you would accept though.
C) Again, a bit rude of him offering the draw himself. He should let you do it. Guess it would be a judgement call there, however.
What's the alternative? Drawing sportsmen?
Serious chess players don't ask for , nor grant takebacks . I count myself as a serious chess player . I cant tolerate people who ask for a takeback and then get mad at me when I don't give one and act like it is I that have done something wrong/unethical . Such players need to learn the rules of chess and if they are prone to mouseslips then they need to slow down some or stop using pre-move . I make mouseslips too and I never ask for a takeback , I resign if the slip warrants it .
I think NM Reb pretty much summed up most of my feelings here. AND if the game is rated and/or is in a Tnmt yes I'll run my opponents clock down if I can win that way - if they don't like it they either need to "get with the program" or stop playing live chess. Why shouldn't players avail themselves of using the clock as a winning factor? Because some whiners, sore losers and crybabies don't like it? Tough.
A) Your opponent obviously make a mouse slip...
B) ...There is no way your opponent can penetrate the pawn chain...
C) Your opponent ... lost a lot of time due to a lost connection...
In the three situations above. Is it unsportsmanlike to decline the draw?
Yes, in my opinion it's unsportsmanlike to decline the draw in any of the three cases you mentioned. It's not worth spending time to win 0.5 point the crappy way.
A) I would accept a draw if my opponent tells me his intended move and it wasn't just a blunder. Reading this also reminded me of my only mouse slip. It resulted in a better move than the one I was trying to make.
B) I would probably accept the draw, because I don't want to wait there for three minutes doing nothing. If the clocks have delay, it's a draw anyway and it doesn't matter because neither of us will run out of time.
C) It would be definitely unsportsmanlike not to accept a draw in this example. It really is annoying though, when your opponent loses connection on a longer game. It forces you to wait for his clock to run out before leaving the game.
I wouldn't accept it unless it is a drawn position. Other than that its their fault for screwing up
First, this is not a response to any of the situations presented. Merely an observation. Sportsmanship is upon the individual, by offering and/or accepting a draw. I don't think that acceptance should be based upon an offer, or multiple offers. If you offer and it is rejected should you resign, in the name of sportsmanship? If so, why not resign in the first place?
A,B,C = depends on me, him, and the situation.
I am not a machine, neither is my opponent. If drawerish swears and swears and gets me angry, then he lose not because of the board, but of his manner.
If drawerish asks politely and explains, I would draw but it's 1 strike. I have 2 strikes per day. On the 3rd strike, either it's the same or different person, although the drawerish is polite, but I have run out my strikes. So sorry, the drawerish is not in good luck.
I resign on mouse slips. disconnections, or whatever that cause me to lose a game. I don't ask for a draw even if I was winning before they happened.
I will be angry if they happen and they did. I have lost more than 100 points on my rating, but I am sure I would come back strongly and I usually do.
I live with them, I have to be accustomed to them. I cannot desire otherwise.
I've lost due to mouse slips and don't expect or even ask my opponent for a draw or any consideration. It is a part of chess online. In the same vein, I would not offer an opponent any consideration if he had a mouse slip.
I will accept draw in B condition only..sorry for A and C.. If your mouse sliped it's your mistake so bear the loss and for C if you are playing a game with time boundation then you have to care about it. you should move quickly. I don't think that I have to accept draw to be a good sportman.. it's funny I think if someone tell me like this..
I'm not going to be the judge about whether or not something is unsportsmalike, but here's what I would do myself. In B I would definitely accept the draw. In C I would probably also accept it, but if I'm having a really bad day I might not, I have to admit. As for A, I have to say that in nearly all cases I honestly can't tell the difference between a mouse slip and a bad move. After all, in low level blitz games, anything can happen. In my past experiences I've seen a lot of stupid moves, and I've never considered the possibility that a bad move could have been a mouse slip. Perhaps another reason is that in all of the games I've played (around 700), I've only made maybe 4 or 5 mouse slips in total, and only once did the mouse slip have an effect on the game. But that said, if the move is blatantly a legit mouse slip (such as moving a piece one square short from a recapture), then I would probably accept the draw. However, this has never occurred in any of my actual games.
In one game I made a move with my queen in front of a pawn, instead of taking the pawn, and the pawn took my queen.
I didn't offer a draw, but played it out. At the end of the game I told my opponent I had made an obvious mouse slip, and he called me a dumba** loser who was trying to make myself look better, or something along those lines. I don't see how he thought it could have been anything other than a mouse slip though.
This isn't the position, but shows the idea, and also shows how much I went from a winning position to a losing position, and also shows how obvious the mouse slip was:
I don't think it is ever unsporting to decline a draw, rather I think it unsporting to ask for one if it is not a draw-ish position.
That said, I take no pleasure in profiting from 'accidents' like clear mouse slips and the like and will usually offer a draw rather than take a win I feel I didn't deserve. In such situations I think it sporting to offer.
I think it's simple. Offering or declining a draw is part of the game, regardless of circumstances.
My mouse is a true bastard, a son of a -----, etc. (fill in with all the insults you can imagine: I already used them): it is an optical one, and cordless. This means that you cannot open it in order to clean the buttons (you could when they had the ball, and indeed you were forced to do it frequently just because the ball itself was a dirt collector), and it goes low on batteries whenever it choses do to so.
Now, since my mouse has a tendency to decide itself when to drop a piece and my economical situation is so bad that I have to carefully plan even a mouse sostitution, I don't think it is my fault when I have a mouse slip (this is relative to servers which don't allow the two click method, hence the drag and drop is the only way to move pieces). And when this happens at the end of a combo just when the Bishop drops 1 square too early, not checking the King hence not winnng the piece, or the rook drops in the middle of the board instead of reaching the backrank, not delivering checkmate, then I think it is 100% fair to ask the opponent to take my move back, declaring what the desired move was, or at least to ask for a draw (when the correct result was a win for me).
If I weren't clearly winning just by the means of the slipped move (I mean: playing the correct move instead of the slipped one), I wouldn't ask for a take back or draw, even when this costed me a piece.
I don't think that counts as an expression of civility.