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USCF CM title

  • #1
    So, as a quick background for the non-Americans among us, the USCF has a CM title, which is achieved by having a rating of at least 2000, as well as 5 CM norms (which roughly will translate to 5 2200 performances, but not exactly). This is not to be confused with the FIDE CM title, which is a considerably more real title, as you can at least get free membership and whatnot for it. Now, I just got my 5th norm, and my question is obvious: what is the point of this title? You can't get any free memberships for it, not even a title next to your name, and I don't think you even get a certificate in the mail like you do with the NM title. So why does this title exist? What was the USCF's reasoning behind it? Feels a bit like a sorry consolation prize to me...
  • #2

    They have a number of performance based titles that can be earned. I think it is just something for class players to earn and point to a performance level that isn't just rating based.

     

    http://www.glicko.net/ratings/titles.pdf

  • #3
    But it's a meaningless title. It gives you nothing more than 4th, 3rd, 2nd, or 1st category titles, and all those are purely ratings based. So what's the point, really? If anything, the CM title makes you look bad - means you're stuck between 2000 and 2200. I just don't really see the point, is all.
  • #4

    Well, they are perfomanced based, with the exception of CM and higher. Essentially they are pointless, and just show that a player has performed at a certain level in past events.

  • #5
    Well, Life Master at least comes with a 2200 floor, no? So it's not entirely meaningless. CM, though, is. I can understand the other one as well, though I can't remember it right now. It's the one after life master, and at that point it doesn't matter any more, as you'd be going for IM, most likely, which is far more important. At that point, though, it doesn't make sense for them to do anything else. Why not put out another title? But I don't see why there can't just be a ratings based 2000 title, preferably one not named the same as a real title.
  • #6

    300+ games at 2200+ comes with a 2200 floor. The norms based titles do not provide rating floors.

  • #7
    Ah, fair. Just got that mixed up, I guess. But still, the titles go, given r for rating based, and n for norm based, r r r r n r n n. Why? Why is CM tucked in there? It's just annoying to get a title that does absolutely nothing.
  • #8

    Wisdom is the bald man's comb. 

  • #9

    I think it is a great achievement and would be surprised if you don't get some sort of certificate from the USCF.

    And your complaint about chess.com not giving you a free membership seems unfair. The title was established decades before the internet.

  • #10

    Are you whining because chess.com will not give you free access to premium stuff? Please tell me you are just a little kid. 

  • #11

    Oh, cool, I forgot this thread existed, but I'll reply anyway. First off, I know for a fact there's no certificate for CM. I am one, and have been for a few months now. Also, I'm not whining because I don't get free stuff, I'm just confused as to why there's a title that does absolutely nothing for you. The USCF "titles" go Category 4, 3, 2, 1, then CM, then NM, then... life master and senior master, I think? I'm not actually sure. Now, out of all of these, only one matters at all: NM. The thing about CM, though is that, unlike categories 4 through 1, but like the titles past NM, you need a rating of >2000, as well as 5 CM norms, which aren't too easy to get. I don't know exactly what the formula is, but let's just say, in general, that a performance of >2200 against similar or higher rated players would do it. Honestly, I just think the title should be scrapped. Nobody cares about it, and it shares a name with a real title, which can only serve to confuse people. 

  • #12

    Just a clarification: The Category titles are also norms based. However, getting the 5 norms can be done quickly as a Category 1 norm counts for 2, 3, and 4. Meaning, if you have 1 Cat 4, 2 Cat 3, 2 Cat 2, and a Cat 1 norm, you have earned the Cat 4 and Cat 3 titles.

  • #13
    BobbyTalparov wrote:

    Just a clarification: The Category titles are also norms based. However, getting the 5 norms can be done quickly as a Category 1 norm counts for 2, 3, and 4. Meaning, if you have 1 Cat 4, 2 Cat 3, 2 Cat 2, and a Cat 1 norm, you have earned the Cat 4 and Cat 3 titles.

    They don't have rating requirements, though, correct? It's been a while for me, and I never cared much about them anyway. I'm pretty sure the norms for life master and senior master, if those are the names, count toward CM too, but those are really difficult to get. I don't know, CM was much more difficult to get for me then any of the category titles. I had been a 2000 for over a year when I got it, whereas 1, 2, 3, and 4 were all fairly easy to get.

  • #14
    WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
    BobbyTalparov wrote:

    Just a clarification: The Category titles are also norms based. However, getting the 5 norms can be done quickly as a Category 1 norm counts for 2, 3, and 4. Meaning, if you have 1 Cat 4, 2 Cat 3, 2 Cat 2, and a Cat 1 norm, you have earned the Cat 4 and Cat 3 titles.

    They don't have rating requirements, though, correct? It's been a while for me, and I never cared much about them anyway. I'm pretty sure the norms for life master and senior master, if those are the names, count toward CM too, but those are really difficult to get. I don't know, CM was much more difficult to get for me then any of the category titles. I had been a 2000 for over a year when I got it, whereas 1, 2, 3, and 4 were all fairly easy to get.

    I'm still a good ways away from worrying about the CM title, but the category titles do not have a rating requirement.  You simply have to have 5 norms at a minimum performance rating.  Typically, you'll get the rating (and the rating floor) simply by achieving the norms, so there is not usually an issue.

     

    That said, if you were a non-provisional player who was very low rated (i.e. 500), and had a 5-straight events at 2200+ performance ratings.  You would have the norms for the Category 1 title, with the rating slightly above 1800, so your rating floor would be 1600 (so you could dip below Category 1 level but still keep the title).

  • #15
    BobbyTalparov wrote:

    I'm still a good ways away from worrying about the CM title, but the category titles do not have a rating requirement.  You simply have to have 5 norms at a minimum performance rating.  Typically, you'll get the rating (and the rating floor) simply by achieving the norms, so there is not usually an issue.

     

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    Norms don't give floors. The actual rating gives the floor. So, if you get a USCF CM rating of 2000 and the 5 norms, your rating floor will be 1800 if you got a 2000 or above rating or 1900 if your rating went above 2099 at some point. However, if you get any of those ratings, even without the norms, you get the same floors.

  • #16
    Martin_Stahl wrote: 

    Norms don't give floors. The actual rating gives the floor. So, if you get a USCF CM rating of 2000 and the 5 norms, your rating floor will be 1800 if you got a 2000 or above rating or 1900 if your rating went above 2099 at some point. However, if you get any of those ratings, even without the norms, you get the same floors.

    Understood.  My point was simply that they way the math works out, by achieving the norms, you usually achieve the rating necessary to hit specific rating floors.  For example, if you have your 5 Category 1 norms, you more than likely have already reached a rating that would leave you with a 1600 floor (if not an 1800).  It would take some serious (almost intentional) effort to achieve 5 Category 1 norms and still be low rated (something like:  have a 2000+ performance, and then 5 or 6 sub-1000 performances, rinse and repeat).

  • #17

    It's a title that tells you that it's time to stop thinking that title and aim higher.

    What more do you want?

  • #18

    It is an odd sort of title. But qualifying for the title is a real achievement nonetheless. If you did it, congratulations

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  • #20

    The USCF CM title is an great accomplishment. I know many NMs that got the NM title before getting the USCF CM title so props to you! I feel like the USCF CM title just distinguishes that you are stronger than most sub 2200 players but I do agree it doesn't make sense to reward someone a title and not have a certificate for it. 

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