Using Physical chess board for online games

DeirdreSkye
lfPatriotGames wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

This was brought up in another topic a few days ago. Someone from the staff said it was against the rules because it was outside assistance. Well,  it obviously IS outside assistance, and because of that it's against the rules. But it's a ridiculous rule that many people rightfully ignore. I had to ignore it when I started playing here because my 2d moves were so bad, it wasn't fair to my opponent. 

Also, things like glasses (which also aid in visualization) are outside assistance. Calming music (or anything that helps you concentrate or think) is also outside assistance. I think using a physical board makes perfect sense because that's the best way to replicate over the board chess.

There is no outside or any kind of assistance if you don't move the pieces.

One would think. I assume you mean not moving the pieces other than the single intended move. But chess.com sees it differently. The rules specifically state no outside assistance of ANY kind.

Live chess is meant to imitate OTB chess as closely as possible.  As such, no, setting up the position on a separate board is not permitted.

This rule is obviously difficult to enforce, but for those who want to follow the rules, that's the rule, and the reason for the rule.

In daily chess, of course, you can use an analysis board all you like.

What the moderator says contradicts the purpose of the site. Chess.com is supposed to promote chess , in all forms , not just on line chess.

Live chess is a descendant of OTB but not OTB no matter how hard we try to see it that way.

I can play on line chess wearing my pyjamas , I can answer phonecalls, I can cook , I can have my dinner and even drink wine.

     Since on line chess tries to imitate OTB all these should be strictly forbiden but a rule like that would sound ridiculous  because we all know online chess is not real chess. 

      Of course the whole discussion has no real value since there is no way to know if one uses a real board but I wonder. If a kid wants to use his on line games to prepare for a trurnament and wants to calculate his moves on a real board(without moving the pieces of course except for the moves) , should we forbid him to do that and tell him:

"No ,  chess.com is not the place to prepare for your OTB tournament , go do it somewhere else".

Is that the official position of a site that claims that it promotes chess?What exactly do they promote? Chess or on line chess? 

Outside help is the essence of the rules, all the rest are just unnecessary and useless formalities that lead to ridiculous conclusions.

lfPatriotGames

Deirdre

All excellent points. What strikes me as very strange is that someone from chess.com would say, all in one paragraph, that livechess is meant to imitate OTB chess as much as possible AND setting up the position on a separate board is not permitted. To me that's like a pilot training on a simulator, presumably to fly a plane, however no actual flying of a plane is allowed to further the flight simulator experience.

As you pointed out, so many things are outside assistance, and are not allowed in over the board games in tournaments, yet ARE allowed on chess.com.  Wearing PJs, listening to music, drinking wine, etc. etc are all outside assistance, yet chess.com doesn't seem to have a problem with those. Instead they have a problem with the ONE thing that imitates OTB chess the most, and thats an actual over the board chessboard. Bizarre.

DeirdreSkye
lfPatriotGames wrote:

As you pointed out, so many things are outside assistance, and are not allowed in over the board games in tournaments, yet ARE allowed on chess.com.  Wearing PJs, listening to music, drinking wine, etc. etc are all outside assistance, yet chess.com doesn't seem to have a problem with those. Instead they have a problem with the ONE thing that imitates OTB chess the most, and thats an actual over the board chessboard. Bizarre.

     Totally agree. They claim live chess imitates OTB yet they forbid the one thing that brings on line chess as close to OTB as possible.Very weird indeed. 

Anish_A

I have read one article that one guy was practising chess on the computer. He went for a tournament and he felt disorientation while playing with a physical board during the competition.

forked_again
Anish_A wrote:

I have read one article that one guy was practising chess on the computer. He went for a tournament and he felt disorientation while playing with a physical board during the competition.

It is definitely true that computer chess does not imitate OTB chess in the way your brain sees the board.  I play 95% computer, and OTB is more difficult for me, and I miss more stuff OTB.

bong711

OTB performance is better for me as I don't do other activities. I can't help myself opening more tabs during online games including live chess. Multitasking is addicting.

toppermangolf
Anish_A wrote:

Using physical board to just to imitate the movements of digital display reduce the eyestrain.

And it is not illegal.

 

Yes but its downright cheating, try it at the local chess club.

forked_again
toppermangolf wrote:
Anish_A wrote:

Using physical board to just to imitate the movements of digital display reduce the eyestrain.

And it is not illegal.

 

Yes but its downright cheating, try it at the local chess club.

I don't understand.  They use real boards at the local chess club. 

lfPatriotGames
toppermangolf wrote:
Anish_A wrote:

Using physical board to just to imitate the movements of digital display reduce the eyestrain.

And it is not illegal.

 

Yes but its downright cheating, try it at the local chess club.

I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for using a physical board at a chess club. I dont see how it's cheating. I so see how using a computer could be cheating though. Are there chess clubs in your area that do not allow physical boards for use? 

DeirdreSkye

      Probably he means that playing in one board and having the same position in another is cheating.True indeed , you can't do that in OTB tournaments. But on line chess is not OTB. I can play wearing my pyjamas , I can have a meal , I can listen to music , I can talk to my phone , I can cook , I can drink wine and many more while playing on line. Nothing of all these is possible while playing OTB.

     So on line is on line and OTB is OTB.2 different versions of the same game. But the real chess is OTB chess.There you get official rating and there you get titles.So sdomene who wants to preapre for OTB must be allowed to do his thinking and calculation on a real board WITHOUT moving the pieces.Even if it is not allowed though there is no way that a cheating mechanism can detect that since there is no outside help.

Titled_Patzer

In keeping with the "spirit" of sportsmanship, the question is thus -

In using a 2nd board, a 3D representation with actual pieces and a physical board, are the moves being played 1st online, and only then copied to the physical board? If, so, then no one has any issue. Problem exists, with making the moves 1st on a physical board, this is can be considered "an advantage" by some players. 2nd. This practice is not practical for blitz games. Also, becomes problematic for any time control, where games end in a time scramble (which a great majority do.) It simply is not practical, playing fast online and at the same time manually moving pieces on a physical board.

Hence, learn to play online with 2D representation. Or play correspondence and review with a physical board. 

Petrussa

I don't think it helps reduce eye strain, but it does help with motor skills and visualization

DeirdreSkye
Titled_Patzer wrote:

In keeping with the "spirit" of sportsmanship, the question is thus -

In using a 2nd board, a 3D representation with actual pieces and a physical board, are the moves being played 1st online, and only then copied to the physical board? If, so, then no one has any issue. Problem exists, with making the moves 1st on a physical board, this is can be considered "an advantage" by some players. 2nd. This practice is not practical for blitz games. Also, becomes problematic for any time control, where games end in a time scramble (which a great majority do.) It simply is not practical, playing fast online and at the same time manually moving pieces on a physical board.

Hence, learn to play online with 2D representation. Or play correspondence and review with a physical board. 

    It doesn't matter what he will do in time scramble. Winning is not the goal , training is.If one manages to focus and calculate for an hour or more then he simply has to play the time scramble on line only.No big deal.  

WSama
forked_again wrote:
Anish_A wrote:

I have read one article that one guy was practising chess on the computer. He went for a tournament and he felt disorientation while playing with a physical board during the competition.

It is definitely true that computer chess does not imitate OTB chess in the way your brain sees the board.  I play 95% computer, and OTB is more difficult for me, and I miss more stuff OTB.

 

That's why I keep a few physical boards around I try to play with whenever I can. Inexpensive sets, really. Your typical game-board quality.