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johnmusacha

You know what is really cool is that premium members can go on "vacation mode" when its their turn to move.  For example, if the premium member sees he has only 4 hours left to make his move in 100 "online" games, when can just avoid all the last-minute scrambling and go on "vacation."

A basic (non paid) member can only go on "vacation mode" after he has made his move, i.e., when it's his opponent's turn to move.  Does that strike you as unfair at all?

Roundyracer

To answer some complaints arent thought out is rude.I just spent 4 days in the hospital and my opponent moved once.If you are that bent on your game you should find a endorser quit your job and play chess.Maybe a little forethought of one's own schedule would be helpfull.Why start something you cant finish because youre not gonna have time or access? You cant fix stupid.

Owlmoon

Lol my opponent just made his move.

johnmusacha

Roundy Racer, I cannot comprehend your gripe in post #22.  Are you complaining about your opponent making a move while you were away?  Or are you complaining that he went on vacation?  Or were you the one on vacation?  Please clarify.

netzach

Irontiger
johnmusacha wrote:

You know what is really cool is that premium members can go on "vacation mode" when its their turn to move.  For example, if the premium member sees he has only 4 hours left to make his move in 100 "online" games, when can just avoid all the last-minute scrambling and go on "vacation."

A basic (non paid) member can only go on "vacation mode" after he has made his move, i.e., when it's his opponent's turn to move.  Does that strike you as unfair at all?

No. As a non-paying member I fully understand that I do not have access to all the features that chess.com can provide. And I don't think players that have 100 ongoing games will really play well.

 

BTW, I don't think this one is even half as much abuse-incenting as the 'automatic vacation' setting. From what I read on the site, paying members can choose to go automatically on vacation when they are about to lose on time. This causes certainly people not to set a vacation status when they should ('hey, it will go automatically, why bother ? and I may be saving a few hours !')

Here_Is_Plenty
Roundyracer wrote:

To answer some complaints arent thought out is rude.I just spent 4 days in the hospital and my opponent moved once.If you are that bent on your game you should find a endorser quit your job and play chess.Maybe a little forethought of one's own schedule would be helpfull.Why start something you cant finish because youre not gonna have time or access? You cant fix stupid.

Okay, where to start.  Firstly you have been a member for approximately 5 weeks so we will assume you are inexperienced and not "stupid" as you put it.  You appear to not even know what you are saying let alone what I am saying.  Get an endorser for a casual hobby?  Quit my job?  Really.  I take it you dont work for a living or play regular chess where you build up an established rating.  Foresight of schedule?  This after you acknowledge hospital admission is particularly blinkered.  What I would add though that I am currently in a 1500-1799 tournament that I entered well over a year ago, which has 3 stages.  I am waiting for the 3rd stage to commence while I play in some other casual games.  Do I regret now entering that level of tournament (as it fitted me at the time)? Yes.  Would I abandon the tournament as it no longer "fits my schedule" - no.  Point is some tourneys go on a lot longer than you seem to be aware of and vacations are essential.  Learn, think then comment - it's less embarrassing.

rooperi
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:

...... What I would add though that I am currently in a 1500-1799 tournament that I entered well over a year ago, which has 3 stages.  I am waiting for the 3rd stage to commence while I play in some other casual games.  Do I regret now entering that level of tournament (as it fitted me at the time)? Yes.  Would I abandon the tournament as it no longer "fits my schedule" - no.  Point is some tourneys go on a lot longer than you seem to be aware of and vacations are essential.  Learn, think then comment - it's less embarrassing.

It's exactly this which causes a problem, IMO.

New users, often free members, enter a tournament without realising this. When you enter a no-vac tourney, you get a warning to the effect that you will not be able to pause these games.

I think there should also be a warning for normal tournaments, (esp for free members): Vacation is allowed in this tournament. This means it can take months or(or longer) to complete. As a free member, you will not be able to enter another tourney while this one is ongoing. Are you sure you want to enter this tournament?

Maybe this seems obvious to some, but it certainly is not obvious to all, in the years I've been here there has been dozens of complaints. It certainly wasn't obvious to me at first.

TheCleverone

Maybe there should be a limit to how many times you can go on vacation in a certain time period. I wouldn't know because I have never been premium, but if you can go "on vacation" for say, a week, play chess for a day, then go "on vacation" for a week again, that seems wrong. Maybe just have, for example, there must be a gap of, for example, a week between each vacation, and if you do genuinely need to go on vacation twice within that period, you can seek permission directly from chess.com

woton
rooperi wrote:

 

I think there should also be a warning for normal tournaments, (esp for free members): Vacation is allowed in this tournament. This means it can take months or(or longer) to complete. "

I don't think that this unique to tournaments where vacation is allowed.  The time that a tournament takes for completion depends on the time control, the number of players, and whether the players use the full time control.  A 100 player, 3 day per move tournament will take 2-3 years for completion whether or not vacation is allowed.  Even a 1 move per day no-vacation tournament game can take 3 months or more if both players take the full day to make their move.

Rasparovov
rooperi wrote:

I've seen people going on and off vacation 3 times per day, how on earth is that not abuse?

I'm pretty sure if you go on vacation you can't cancel it for 24 hours. Or if it's perhaps that you can't go on vacation for 24 hours after a vacation.

woton
Rasparovov wrote:

I'm pretty sure if you go on vacation you can't cancel it for 24 hours. Or if it's perhaps that you can't go on vacation for 24 hours after a vacation. "

When you go on vacation, a minimum of 24 hours is subtracted from your remaining vacation time.  However, if you cancel the vacation before 24 hours has elapsed, the time remaining to 24 hours is added to your clock.

Rasparovov

@Woton yeah that's right.

Roundyracer
johnmusacha wrote:

Roundy Racer, I cannot comprehend your gripe in post #22.  Are you complaining about your opponent making a move while you were away?  Or are you complaining that he went on vacation?  Or were you the one on vacation?  Please clarify. Im complaining my oppoent moves then vacates moves then vacates and usually at 3  days a pop.

johnmusacha

Oh ok, got it.  So is this a tournament, a team match, or an ad-hoc game?

bronsteinitz

Why hurry? Your win (or loss) will come.

Roundyracer

You cant fix stupid:Apparently my post didnt get thru.Im not interesting in being a master just a friendly game of chess.Yes retired but not wanting to watch paint dry.^ weeks of vacation is noble however so the rest of the world sits and waits for some vacation go by like in 6 weeks.If you are so interested in my only 5 weeks aboard here why not explore some games and see the vacations some take after each move,Thats what stupid  is and if that shoe fits wear it.Dont critize me as a newby.Seems the concensus is in favorite of less vacation time.Endorsements simply means get a sponsor and quit your job,play chess for a living and eliminate us newbys and fun players.

Here_Is_Plenty

Roundy, roundy, roundy.  Bang your drum some more, the bitterness is too subtle for us.  You are calling people stupid yet you are addressing us barely coherently.  The point of your "time aboard" is you are criticising the system when you are new to it.  You do not seem to be in tune with turn-based chess and how it operates.  I did not criticise you for being a "newby", I simply pointed out the grand scheme of things.  And you are back to endorsements; I will not repeat what I have posted earlier but presume you can read it and choose whether to understand this time.

CalamityChristie
Roundyracer wrote:

Why should a player be allowed to vacate after each move?Especially when he or she has many games and cant keep up with one.

i have a bloke doing the same thing, poor chap needs more time than the rest of us

woton

@ Roundyracer.   I've looked at your game archive, and your complaint puzzles me.  You have completed 10 games.  It looks as if all were finished within 2 weeks.  That's fast.  Of the 3 in-progress games, one is about a month old, and the other 2 are about 4 days old.  These games appear to be moving along rapidly for turn-based games (especially the 3-day per move games).