Vote Chess - Quality of Discussion

Well, unless it's coming from people who actually were pitted against a banned user ... the list never revealed the type of Cheating but checking the Last games panel of their opponents, where they were now revealed as cheaters with the little red icon on them, in most cases the stumbling block for them was an Online chess game. But I concur that this method isn't really all that accurate, so let's just say it makes a nice anecdote.

I don't think there are programs intelligent enough to decide what the third party program's doing exactly (for a cheap price that worth implementing for them with all the basic members that don't pay).
I can have youtube and gmail on other windows and tabs (like I usually do, listening to music and chatting), and the site would think I'm cheating.
And then, of course, you can just have a phone in your hand and cheat on that while playing on the computer, so there's really not much reason to incorporate such a feature.

With Windows, and I'm sure with MAC, every application has a unique name that is stored in the memory of the computer. You can easily go through these names and look for software you know exists. So, barring any attmpts by the user to corrupt this list, it is possible to check what software is currently running and if any of it is an engine that you know of.

But, as with anything in computers, a savvy programmer can find ways to circumvent most any checking. And, of course, you can just run an engine on another machine.

That only leaves one way to catch cheaters; run their games through engines and look for patterns in their play that indicate engine use.

Or you can use some players on here who have convinced themselves they can detect a cheater just by playing a game with them. 

What was the topic again?

Tacos vs. Burritos.

Ive been participating in the chess.com vote chess final between Team England and Team Russia ,Team England win by forfeit from Team Russia for using engines

It was a tough game full of active discussion from all our grades each respected for their views even if flawed

The use of opening explorer dominated vc was gladly missing and i would gladly defend Team Englands title next year in such a team spirit as the one we have

Do you have a link to that game?

If you can verify that a team's top players are +2000 in real life, chances are you'll have some excellent discussions. If the majority are +2000 online without any other credentials or if their blitz/bullet ratings are U1600 here, chances are you'll just get database jockeys and endless trees of analysis that are only one twig thick.

I don't know about other groups but ours is full of sub 1800 players and our discussions amount to much more than a twig. 

I think it is all about management. The group needs admins that actively encourage discussion.

We are now lightyears away from my original topic. (Did I use that word correctly? )

That's OK. Thanks for some good suggestions, folks.

I do have a question about engine use since we have switched to that. Is it against the Chess.com rules to play against the Chess.com computer and use an engine (why would you do that? irrelevant, but perhaps for a hint and learning)?

Can you get into trouble for that, if it is only done against the computer?

hi smyslov will post message re link been a thrilling game

http://www.chess.com/votechess/game?id=61236

for you all to enjoy  although Team England lost it was a cracking game

54 players ave rating 1745 ,now Chess.Com VC Champions for 2015 (Russia disqualified for engine use)

Yes, it is, the computer actually warns you when the game starts not to use engines, since 'it will know'.
It's also pretty stupid to use an engine against the computer, then just make two engines fight each other, kick back and get some popcorn.

the best way to avoid engine use in vote chess is a 960 vc game

That's completely false, Talfan. Engine use in Chess960 is just as rife as standard chess. However, it's easier to catch because the engine's opening moves are often more distinctive than human moves in Chess960.

i thought it would be beyond a prog ie no opening book to crunch ,shows how little i know about progs abilities i guess

to me vc is an active thing i learn i add we grow as a team ive been in some where it doesnt happen ie not much discussion and a bit of follow my leader but i like it when i get an idea refuted as it forces me to understand more about chess

sometimes youve gotta have a thick skin when your move gets picked apart but i sign up expecting that so im cool with it

You are quite agressive Why do you question my friend about engine use? Why do you question so many people? It seems a bit agressive. As for the OP's question,

I think that you have to go through and find some members you really like and join groups that their in or that they run. I've noticed that when I play vote with friends that there is always a great quality conversation/comment section. Up to you though :)

It's a bit ironic. I titled this thread Vote Chess - Quality of Discussion.

Well, the quality of discussion here is LOUSY. Unless it were a thread about engine cheating...then it would still be lousy, but at least on point.

Carry on.

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