Wesley So resigned after 6 moves

I am done trying to explain it to you.  He abandoned the team by leaving college.  It wasn't college that he abandoned.  I worked part-time and went to school part-time but I always took at least one class.  Eventually I graduated.

You can barely put a coherent argument together, yet you describe individuals "immeasurably" more intelligent than you as people with "arrested development"? You are barely fit to fry food at McDonald's. Go get a reality check!

"I never said Fischer or Carlsen changed countries earlier. Seriously? Now you're just talking nonsense."

But Wesley So did, hence my point you don't have a correlation.  Are you trying to not connect the dots?

@richie_and_oprah people have hobbies. better then golf IMO

The amount of evidence (read: trolling) you have produced to substantiate these statements speaks for itself.

http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/champion-chess-players-smart-yes-question-65735

But never mind. How do you describe people who combined careers in chess and other fields? (To give a few examples, Lasker was, among other things, a mathematician and philosopher, Botvinnik worked as an electrical engineer and computer scientist, and Vladimir Malakhov worked as a nuclear physicist.) Is their development "half-arrested"?

Does anyone know if there will be criminal charges filed?  What kind of jail time is he looking at?

It does have a correlation, All 3 of them dropped out of school.

You're not really making any sense.

What does federation change have to do with correlation? might as well talk about any nonsense that does not relate the 3 in any way then.

You're the one trying to say my point doesn't make sense by spouting nonsense that i never said.

I'm fine with you being done trying to explain this. You're just making it more complicated.

It just sounds odd to me. No one takes this sort of thing personally unless there was something else involved... An experienced coach will always take a player that performs worse and wants to be there over one that doesn't. Otherwise the player that doesn't want to be there damages the team chemistry which leads to all sorts of issues. No one would accept the alternative of forcing someone to play whether they wanted to be there or not. 

Those Webster players would easily prefer to play with someone that wanted to be there and I don't think anyone would hold it against a guy if he just wasn't interested anymore nor would they try to reel him back in. From a coach's perspective So should just be a player that got traded to another team which is a fairly common occurance in collegiate sports. If there was no ill will then you just wish him the best and move on with the team you've got.

Anyone who plays at a chess club on a regular basis will see that chessplayers are a bit of a strange bunch at best.  Not the kind of people you'd leave your kids alone with.

There are much worse things to be obsessed with than a board game imo , like the people who only think about their next  high/hit/fix , for example . 

Seems dismissive to call it just a board game. You could talk about any hobby this way. I don't know why this is a sign of "arrested development."

Believing the only worthwhile life is to have a career and 3 kids seems the more bankrupt view. If you can follow your passion (and not be a burden to society) I don't see how anyone could disagree.

lol at the last part.

I think 40% of the people at my club are either school teachers, professors, or retired teachers / professors.

"It does have a correlation, All 3 of them dropped out of school.

You're not really making any sense."


They could also have brown eyes and be right handed.  What is your point?  You can't take one attribute and ignore everything else.

I was never claiming that people who drop out of school shouldn't play chess.  I am not trying to support your silly strawman arguments.


"From a coach's perspective So should just be a player that got traded to another team which is a fairly common occurance in collegiate sports."

That's because there are leagues.  Who was he traded for then?  That was what I was getting at.

It's easy to take one sentence out of context and then spray assumptions which weren't meant.  I could spend all night clarifying the pieces and putting them back into context or you could read my posts as a whole instead of attacking one part.

Your choice.  I don't see the benefit in selectively ignoring 90% of my posts.  However, there is not much point in playing chess online when people can cheat to and avoid playing the game sincerely either. 

I have stated my opinion, if you want to understand it reread.  If you want to discredit it, it doesn't take away the validity.

So, I will propose a challenge then.  Here is a photo of Carlsen representing his country and his family.  I want to see the same of So to be swayed away from my opinion.  Then you can compare So with Carlsen.  You can't compare Fischer if his dad was never there, now can you?  Make correlations that actually can be verified.  It will make a stronger argument.

Date: Nov 2014  https://chess24.com/en/read/news/anish-giri-in-the-footsteps-of-caruana-and-carlsen

Tata Steel 2015

You said it's an absolute marker for arrested development.

I guess the weasel word is "marker" i.e. "it's an absolute maybe" so ok, that lets you off the hook.

Not sure that Go is tougher to master. People compete against other people to "master" it, not the game itself. Although in an absolute sense Go is definitely tougher to play with less errors.

Will be interesting to see how So plays his last 2 rounds of this tournament .  I think he just wants it to be finished .... 

It may not be worth it to you Rich , but obviously it is worth it to the top chess players . I imagine the top golfers , tennis players , etc also give up a lot to reach the top rungs of their chosen sport/hobby/profession ?  

Hehe, I was feeling same way, that your arguments said more about you than anything rational on their own :p

But yes, the sacrifices... there's a lot to experience other than games for sure, so we may agree more than I thought at first. I've been watching the Masters golf tournament. Very relaxing, and the people are very impressive, but I can't help but feel like it's such a bizarre skill to have hah.

Oh, and about Go. I'm still not sure. It's like saying (international) checkers (not solved by the way) is easier to master than chess because there are less permutations. Well... it might as well be infinite to humans. Humans don't use raw calculation to play any of these games.

I think it's a useful question. When I'm on my back in a nursing home, what action or inactions will I regret?

I can't imagine So would regret this. He's only 22... he could quit today and still do anything.

@tigerprowl I thought you were done explaining, It seems like you aren't

Anyways

My point is that dropping out of school to become a chess professional isn't always bad. You said That Wesley So was bad to his parents for dropping out of Webster ( not explicity but that's how your message sounded like). just because his parents disliked it doesn't mean he was a traitor to them. Carlsen dropped out of school yet you don't see his parents hating him on that now do you?

I never claimed that you claimed that people who drop out of school shouldn't play chess either? What does that have to do with anything?

Honestly, your arguments are more strawman than mine. ( mine isn't by the way)

Every reply complicates your message even more

"I thought you were done explaining, It seems like you aren't"

I am pretty much done with what I stated.  I am not going to repeat myself.  That is why I put the picture up.  That is another dot for you to connect.  I highly suggest going back and rereading.

"dropping out of school to become a chess professional isn't always bad."

And I have a contract up in July, but I agreed to July.  So I will see it out.   I think in So's case he agreed to play for 4 years or the school expected that and put the resources in to train him.  For him to get up and leave like this shows disrespect.  Personally, I would have agreed to compete in the school tournaments in return for their support.  Regardless if you like Susan or not, she helped him get to where he is today.

"traitor"

 I already commented on this word.  You brought it up, not me.

"Carlsen dropped out of school yet you don't see his parents hating him on that now do you?"

Since when did Carlsen stop representing Norway?  You are missing my point.  If So was in the USA with his family and represented the Philippines it would be one thing.

I am sick and tired of people coming to America thinking they have rights Americans don't.  Oh I have rich parents therefore I can weasel my way into an expensive school, get top training, leave school, and become champion of a bigger country.

Carlsen is not doing that.  Carlsen is not leaving Norway.  Carlsen is not using other countries as a stepping stone.  Has he even considered training in Russia giving up the Norwegian flag?

You can't win the challenge I posted with the photos.