If a player forces a position that cannot be changed and is stuck then it's a draw. Similar to maths problems that have decimal points recurring or pi which is an irrational number and 3 fold repetition can be similar particularly if there is genuinely no other combination.
What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?
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SocialPanda wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:
WalhallaRoad wrote:
Nah, I think if someone is beating me pretty good and has proven to be the better player, I'm not going to do a bunch of checks that lead to nothing just so I can collect points. It might be part of the game, but it's cheap and pathetic.
Perpetual check is a part of tactics, and it's not easy to find and force upon the opponent. Try to force a perpetual check every time you are losing. It's not an easy task, at all. For me, it's a brilliant manouver that only adds to the beauty of Chess.
If you didn't see it coming, he outplayed you, and he brilliantly managed to draw a lost game.
Actually his oponnent won the game
I was using a general "you". I knew it could be ambiguous though, my mistake.
lol I actually just did this to someone on another site. It was a lot more even than the game I lost that I posted about on here.
Apr 18, 2014
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WalhallaRoad wrote:
lol I actually just did this to someone on another site. It was a lot more even than the game I lost that I posted about on here.
and how do you feel about the rule now? 
kaynight wrote:
So, how does that make you feel now?
I feel kind of cheap about it, but it was either do that or let him go on the offense.
In my defense, I was actually trying to win the game and could have had he not continued to move back to where my rook couldn't come join my queen for the party.
kaynight wrote:
WalhallaRoad: think you have shot yourself in the foot with your original post. Give it up now.
lol perhaps.
Apr 18, 2014
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WalhallaRoad wrote:
kaynight wrote:
So, how does that make you feel now?
I feel kind of cheap about it, but it was either do that or let him go on the offense.
Whenever I feel cheap about anything I just take a long hot shower or take a shot of Scotch, or both and I no longer feel cheap! >:[
Isn't this horse dead yet?
I like it.It is amazing. Draw a losing game by perpetual checks is more wonderful than winning a game!!!
In Xiangqi and shogi , perpetual is not allowed. Perpetual checks makes chess more fun ,more intersting and more artistic than xiangqi and shogi!!!
WalhallaRoad wrote:
that's not the game I was talking about
I even stated that I know such, but our thinking process mistakes carry over from game to game. Maybe the carelessness was brought on via calculation fatigue? It happens, you see far and wide for much of the game, hold those positions in your head, assess and evaluate, find out you didn't look far enough, see a threat at the end of the thread that refutes an otherwise good line, eliminate that candidate, move onto the next one, maybe even discovering that the weakness you're planning around isn't even real (e.g., an open king in the Sicilian Sveshnikov, well, usually) then back to the drawing board coming up with a new plan and with it more candidates. In games with an hour per side or more one can generally walk around to refresh for the transition from middle to endgame (where different principles apply and planning takes on an even greater importance).
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
WalhallaRoad wrote:
that's not the game I was talking about
I even stated that I know such, but our thinking process mistakes carry over from game to game. Maybe the carelessness was brought on via calculation fatigue? It happens, you see far and wide for much of the game, hold those positions in your head, assess and evaluate, find out you didn't look far enough, see a threat at the end of the thread that refutes an otherwise good line, eliminate that candidate, move onto the next one, maybe even discovering that the weakness you're planning around isn't even real (e.g., an open king in the Sicilian Sveshnikov, well, usually) then back to the drawing board coming up with a new plan and with it more candidates. In games with an hour per side or more one can generally walk around to refresh for the transition from middle to endgame (where different principles apply and planning takes on an even greater importance).
I hear ya, but that was probably not a game indicative of my general play. It was probably fatigue as i was in a slump at that point. My rating has gone up by about 100 since.
Thank you for posting that. Very entertaining.
Apr 19, 2014
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3 fold repetition enabled me a rare result A DRAW against an IM; normally one would lose at this level.
http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=74186440
BigDoggProblem wrote:
But I want to attack. I don't want to worry about protecting my King. Only my opponent has to protect his King. :P
thats the game though, kudos to ur opponent for doing that, it maybe a bit cheap but its teh game. saying perpetual is unfair is like saying a team in Basketball bieng down 1 points taking a shot after teh other team leaves the floor with 2 seconds left and wins the game, the other team should of stayed on the floor instead of leaving it, so goes with your king, dont leave it open, even with brining it out in the endgame to help you, youy still gotta keep him protected and not vaunarable
@Maxx Dragon:
And can we please lay off the OP? He apologized around page three or four, this is just needless antagonism.
Apr 22, 2014
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#219
PhDerek wrote:
@Maxx Dragon:
And can we please lay off the OP? He apologized around page three or four, this is just needless antagonism.
I laid off the kid 4 days ago, but since you brought this up show me where the OP apologized. As for my posts being “needless antagonism” that’s YOUR opinion to which you are entitled. MY opinion about my posts and others which have pointed out the flaw in his logic is that they have didactic value of which your post has none. >:[
Being able to convert a won position is a skill you have to learn, and blaming your opponent when you fail is lame.
As a 12 yo, I naively played an opening line that was claimed to be equal and I realized I would be lucky to draw. I saw that if I let my opponent win a piece I would be able to draw by a crazy perpetual check with my queen checking his king all over the board. I took the draw and regard it as one of my best games and lessons in chess. Since then I've won many games playing into popular theoretically innacurate assesments and watching my oppenents collapse when they met unexpected problems.
Whining about being swindled means you need to learn how to shut down counterplay.
You say you are 12? Maybe 12 going on 90!