What does it take to get to a 2000-2200 rated player? Really.

Please don't, it's cringeworthy.

All of that is arbitrary. Fact is, that special something you're talking about? It's the difference between a Kasparov or Carlsen and a middling NM, not the difference between Carlsen and a club player. If you honestly take every necessary step: coaching, thousands and thousands of hours of training and practice and study, and the love of the game, you can absolutely progress to a reasonable mastery in any field ever that doesn't require freak athleticism.

Chess isn't some exclusive club for geniuses, where only mega-geniuses succeed. It's a game, with a set of skills that can provide success in it like any other. If you have sufficient means and motivation, you can master it. You probably cannot dominate it any more than you could anything else without some genetic gifts, though, but mastery is not domination, and neither is 2000-2200.

ha ha I know which bit you don't like  but i will keep it a secret (weakling)

With your ratings, it's looks like you're the weakling.

ha ha your blitz is even lower than mine; online doesn't count cos it's just engines and you can't bench 250.

I give you an overall rating in life of 1175 but with hard work you may become 1800 because i can see you have some potential.  i can coach you.

My blitz is old and without effort.

I understand,  I am old too and often without effort.  But it was nice to discuss ratings of things with you. 

kind regards

enemyofphilip

50? How did you come up with that?

I spent much time with PE teachers, worked it all out with some secret algorithms and then doubled the answer so i didnt hurt their feelings 

Sure, world blitz champions:

Fischer, Tal, Anand, Grischuk, Ivanchuk, Dominguez, Carlsen, Aronian, Liem.

All horrible classical players.

Yeah. Where's your rating?

Anyway, I didn't say they improved by playing blitz. But the best blitz players are the best classical players.

Not wrong.

Who are the great blitz players who can't play classical chess?

I continue to sense a false dichotomy in this conversation.

The ability to work extremely hard at chess IS a form of talent, and it isn't something everyone has.  I work about as hard at chess as I will ever want to--a few hours a week.  That has gotten me to a wopping 1600 Chess.com rating.

I'll never be a master because I just don't have the passion that would cause me to put in the required hours.  Most people don't.  However, claiming that getting to a very high rating requires some kind of "magic" inside a person's brain discourages those who really do have the passion it requires.

So, would-be-masters...put 100% of your free time into chess, and you'll probably do great.  Don't want to do that?  Welcome to the club!  You don't have what it takes.  Sit back and enjoy the game.

Thank you. This is what I meant. Yes, obviously not being lazy isn't universal trait, otherwise more of us would be rich and successful and have everything we ever wanted. Everybody seems to think that every club player on the planet is dying to be a GM and just can't. It hasn't occurred to anybody that they quite simply haven't been alive long enough, or just haven't wanted to put that amount of work into the game, or maybe even went astray in their learning, causing their time to be used less efficiently.

It may not take 10,000 hours for everybody, but it is still just a matter of hours, and if there's anything we all likely know about studying; it's that the least effective way to study is to just grind it out, because you'll retain nothing. Sure, a top 20 superGM probably needed less than 10,000 hours, and those without genius level spatial reasoning ability may need a bit more.

Listen, chess_gg. I understand you're proud of being a pretty strong player. That's cool for you, but don't take this personally: the only thing unique about you is that you worked hard to become good. You cannot possibly believe that you, on your ivory tower of beingan AM (almost master), have some kind of strange magical genetic gift that a lowly dick like myself or anybody else here can't possible have at our sub ~2000 ratings.  The kids with crazy genetic gifts and a passion for chess? They become GMs as teenagers because of their certain something special in combination with their hard work. Everybody else with a passion for chess that isn't some super-genius becomes whatever the amount of work they have the time and motivation for allows them. For some it's a 1500 rated intermediate club player. For others it's the ~2200 range.

EDIT: And yes, I am a low rated player, good observation. I have spent about 50 hours on chess in the first 27 years of my life, and in the past 4 weeks, I added another 150 or so. Just in that time, my first handful of games lowered my rating to 750 or so. After putting in hours of study and playing consistently I'm up over 1300 and playing strongly against players it matches me with. Just on the back of some hard work, not some special gift. Obviously this progress will slow, but I see no valid reason why it must stop as long as I keep putting the time in.

2200 the easy way and fast ?

Go to a crossroad and fall down on your knees.

Summon up a demon and make a contract. The usual terms for undeserved success, fame, money etc.  are your life being limited to max. 10 years (maybe you get a price-off, since your wish is rather modest). 

When the 10 years are up and you didn't die in another way, a hellhound will be sent after you . It will drag your soul direct to hell. There you will be tortured and will serve the demon that you made the contract with.

I have great news for all of you ! Igor Smirnov courses really works . After studying his course " Grandmaster Positional Understanding " my rating went higher with 200 points  . I'm not joking . I'm not saying that you will become a IM in one year , but if you study his courses seriously you will see the result right after the study

Please show this improvement.

Your stats for this site show that all your ratings have declined with time.

Oops.

Time, Willpower, Passion, Determination, Discipline, Perseverance, Training, Practice, Training, More Training, Training again..

Can you do all above?

Two questions for you:

• How many hours have you spent playing and studying chess in your life?
• Do you actually believe that you are a genetic, intellectual anomaly and that your chess ability, at a rating of 2180, is unattainable by any enthusiast with the time, passion, and basic mental capacity to learn the game? Like, you don't believe almost any average joe with a passion to learn chess could put in 40 hours a week for five or ten years and learn to play like you?
• EDIT: A third (fourth, really) question: You say a 2200 or a GM. Why do you believe you can put yourself on the same level as Grand Masters? They are the top level of mastery, whereas you are at best a candidate for consideration as a Master.