What is a maximum rating an ordinary person can get?

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You must be very talented then ogrady! Beware though that the hard work begins now, and a 1600 rating on chess.com is only about 1500 in real life.

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hayabusahayate16 wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
hayabusahayate16 wrote:

If you want to become a GM, have the time and motivation then you can become a GM.

That would be really nice if it were true!

Some people start young, have wealthy supportive parents, try for GM, but don't make it.

Look at the stats. I believe 2200 is already in the <1%

Well, anyway, I used to believe that too, so I suspect you won't believe me no matter what I say ;)

Try and don't make it? That implies somewhere along the way they lost the motivation otherwise they could still be trying. My guess would be that in most of those instances the person involved didn't really have the motivation neccesary in the first place. To imply that a mentally healthy human adult cannot reach GM level with proper motivation is a serious underestimation of the mind. Quote any statistics you want, it doesn't matter. The #1 reason for those statistics is that as far as value goes, chess is very low on the list for most people. If i told you that I would give you $10,000 for every point you increased your fide rating up until you attained GM status at which time I would give you $10,000,000 then you can be certain you would attain GM status.

No.  Everyone has a limit.  And, the ultimate limit isn't motivation or time - it is talent.  Regardless of how dedicated you are, you have a ceiling.  

I cannot dunk a basketball and am not sure I could even if I dedicated my life in training to do so.  But even if I did, I couldn't touch the top of the backboard.  Some people can, and they may have worked less at it than me.  

It's the same in chess.  You say we are underestimating the mind.  I think you are underestimating chess.

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huddsbluenose wrote:

You must be very talented then ogrady! Beware though that the hard work begins now, and a 1600 rating on chess.com is only about 1500 in real life.

Ya to be honest I am starting to put some work into it. Im starting to analyse my games and youtube videos help a lot. I kind of guessed that the ratings here were inflated a bit, to be honest I have never played comprtitively outside of chess.com but I am planning on it for the future.

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hayabusahayate16 wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
hayabusahayate16 wrote:

If you want to become a GM, have the time and motivation then you can become a GM.

That would be really nice if it were true!

Some people start young, have wealthy supportive parents, try for GM, but don't make it.

Look at the stats. I believe 2200 is already in the <1%

Well, anyway, I used to believe that too, so I suspect you won't believe me no matter what I say ;)

Try and don't make it? That implies somewhere along the way they lost the motivation otherwise they could still be trying. My guess would be that in most of those instances the person involved didn't really have the motivation neccesary in the first place. To imply that a mentally healthy human adult cannot reach GM level with proper motivation is a serious underestimation of the mind. Quote any statistics you want, it doesn't matter. The #1 reason for those statistics is that as far as value goes, chess is very low on the list for most people. If i told you that I would give you $10,000 for every point you increased your fide rating up until you attained GM status at which time I would give you $10,000,000 then you can be certain you would attain GM status.

The brain is an actual physical thing. It's as real as your legs, your heart, your toenails... it's not limitless. As much as willpower overcoming the impossible makes for a feel good movie, it's not real life.

What if I gave you 10,000 dollars for every second you shaved off your mile time until you broke the world record at which point I gave you 10,0000,0,000,0,000,,,0,0,00,0,0,00,,,,0,0,, ... a pointless thought experiment, it will never happen.

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If  your mile time is 1 hour it would be worth trying.

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The brain is a real organ in your body. And just as when a swimmer has larger lungs, or a boxer has a longer reach, some brains are better for chess than others.

Well, I know you won't believe me, so I'm willing to agree to disagree and drop it.

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Although I agree hard work will take you far. It's how you discover where you limits are, and most people give up before achieving their best.

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The brain is amazing. YOUR brain is amazing.

But that's the problem... so is mine, so is everyone's Wink

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It's very hard to say.  Sounds like something only a psychology expert with years of chess coaching experience can answer.  My personal amateur estimate is maybe 2000 FIDE.  

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Luke McShane played chess in his spare time. Max rating 2713.

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And Capablanca was able to become unbeatable just by watching his dad play...

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Luke McShane was/is an investment banker.

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I know from being a club player that most good players are able to reach 180 - 190 ECF rating through a mixture of talent and hard work, but once they reach that level they are never able to go beyond it.

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@ Scott that does suggest he's got serious brains!

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I've known some very smart professional people like physicians, lawyers, etc who loved the game BUT SUCKED and couldn't break 1600. 

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But 1600 is a hard barrier to break! Tbh your Average Joe has no idea how much knowledge is needed just to reach this level!

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it depends

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My guess will be 1900.

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I think the key element is what (precisely) is meant by "ordinary".

Without a definition of that it is impossible even to speculate in any meaningful way. :)

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Murgen is correct.