What is the worst opening?

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not nearly as losing, but it is very easy for white to lose

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jackdutchy_08 wrote:

Got to be the caro kann

That's the best opening for Black. You're trolling.

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Thepasswordis1234 wrote:

An alternative for the Damaino's Defense

If it's not as losing, it can't be the worst.

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Luke-Jaywalker wrote:

1 h4

The Kadas opening? What about the Clemenz?

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CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:
Thepasswordis1234 wrote:

An alternative for the Damaino's Defense

If it's not as losing, it can't be the worst.

Most annoying = worst

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AZPawnstar wrote:
CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

Yes, I do mean a named opening, but Fool's mate itself is no opening, but rather an opening trap. And is the Grob losing by force?

how is fool's mate a 'trap?'

he is right

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Shadowestr wrote:
AZPawnstar wrote:
CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

Yes, I do mean a named opening, but Fool's mate itself is no opening, but rather an opening trap. And is the Grob losing by force?

how is fool's mate a 'trap?'

he is right

The two move checkmate for white is an opening technicaly it isn't really a trap the opponent just lets you checkmate them.

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Fool's mate is a trap because White wanted to get a kingside attack but started it way too early and thought they would win. Does that answer you?

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And just bc it is annoying does NOT mean it is the worst.

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If a player blunders that is not a trap. Fool's mate is an opening. You didn't set up a trap, you just played the best move checkmating them. That is why g4 f3 or vice versa is the worst opening for white and g5 f6 for black. You expose the King. Doesn't GM Finegold always say, "Never play f3".

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Lord_Phan wrote:

If a player blunders that is not a trap. Fool's mate is an opening. You didn't set up a trap, you just played the best move checkmating them. That is why g4 f3 or vice versa is the worst opening for white and g5 f6 for black. You expose the King. Doesn't GM Finegold always say, "Never play f3".

But it IS technically a trap, so not an opening.

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How is it a trap? White played two stupid moves which you neither induced nor had anything whatsoever to do with, and you reacted by checkmating them. So technically it is not a trap it is an opening.

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By that logic, Scholar's Mate would be an opening. But it isn't.

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CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

By that logic, Scholar's Mate would be an opening. But it isn't.

That's called the wayward queen attack

The trap itself isn't an opening but the attack is

The two move checkmate could be an opening just not a playable one

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No Scholar's mate usually is started with the wayward Queen attack opening. Which is not a very good opening either. You are hoping your opponent blunders and if he doesn't you just put yourself in a bad position.

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And if Scholar's mate isn't an opening, then neither is Fool's Mate.

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An opening is the first moves you play, f3 g4 is the worst opening. It puts you immediately in fool's mate against anyone who isn't a beginner.

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You aren't understanding.

AZ, that was rude. How dare you!

Lord Phan, first of all, you might have overlooked everything I said. Second, refresh your definition of "opening" please.

I am not looking for two votes. I am looking for the majority. What about the Damiano defense? You could get checkmated there!

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If fools mate is an opening, there is nothing more to talk about. If it is not an opening, so what is definition of an opening?