What order of Sicilian openings should I learn them in?

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i am no expert in the sicilian, i just heard that e6- sicilians are a good way to start because they bank more on ideas but its not theory free either.

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Yea, I forgot the Moscow variation Rossolimo stuff.

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ChessDragon2018 wrote:

Are there other openings? What order would you recommend? Here is my guess:

 

Najdorf
Dragon

 

Anderssen, Kan, Paulsen (only listing them in alphabetical order)

Richter Rauzer

 

Alapin (maybe after dragon too)

 

Not sure of order for the last three, but this is how I would learn them:

 

Scheveningen
Sveshnikov/Pelikan
Kalashnikov/Lowenthal.

I like your plan. Myself I played Paulsen as a kid, but when restarting chess 37 years after it was the dragon and later accelerated dragon. The dragon was chosen because I did like its name. I have been learning some French lately and this transposes easy into Paulsen, but the last couple of weeks I have done some Dragon, and I like it.

 

I can not tell you which Sicilian to choose, They are all interesting. But I can tell that the dragon can give kingside against white queenside castling and a kind of racing.

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ChessDragon2018 wrote:

Yea, I forgot the Moscow variation Rossolimo stuff.

its mostly white who choses it to be a rossolimo/moscowwink.png

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I never played Sicilian as black, so yea. That's why I am asking.

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In general, don't play the Sicilian if you're a beginner. Too complex positionally. Play 1..e5.

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hey everyone

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pdve wrote:

In general, don't play the Sicilian if you're a beginner. Too complex positionally. Play 1..e5.

he is right about that, but i ve stopped interpreting the op before giving answers, he wants to know the easiest sicilian so lets search for it - other people (like me) can benefit from the outcome of the discussion

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Ok, let's talk about the Caro Kann.

 

I think this is a really munchy opening.

 

 

I need a hot dog and a shake by the way.

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ChessDragon2018 wrote:

... What order would you recommend? Here is my guess:

Najdorf
Dragon

Anderssen, Kan, Paulsen (only listing them in alphabetical order)

Richter Rauzer

Alapin (maybe after dragon too)

Not sure of order for the last three, but this is how I would learn them:

Scheveningen
Sveshnikov/Pelikan
Kalashnikov/Lowenthal

If you have it in mind to reply to 1 e4 with 1...c5, it would make sense to give a high priority to 2 c3, as that would seem likely to be used often by White. If you do not intend to reply to 1 e4 with 1...c5, then you might want to consider using 1 e4 c5 2 c3 as white and ignoring 2 Nf3 lines (or using 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 and ignoring 2 c3 lines).

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Around 2010, IM John Watson wrote, "... For players with very limited experience, ... the Sicilian Defence ... normally leaves you with little room to manoeuvre and is best left until your positional skills develop. ... I'm still not excited about my students playing the Sicilian Defence at [the stage where they have a moderate level of experience and some opening competence], because it almost always means playing with less space and development, and in some cases with exotic and not particularly instructive pawn-structures. ... if you're taking the Sicilian up at [say, 1700 Elo and above], you should put in a lot of serious study time, as well as commit to playing it for a few years. ..."

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ChessDragon2018  wrote:

… If you were to learn the Sicilian from BOTTOM to TOP, which would you start with?

The answer I am looking for is one in which would guide a player to learning openings in a logical and smart progress. ...

The Sicilian is an enormous subject. I suspect that nearly everyone makes choices in order to avoid the necessity "to learn the Sicilian from BOTTOM to TOP". It might be of interest to look at Starting Out: The Sicilian, 2nd Edition by GM John Emms. If you must have an order for everything, perhaps it would be of interest to look at the table of contents reproduced at:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf

However, that book appeared in 2009 and it may be that a new book would use some other order.

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ChessDragon2018 wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

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That is like an airline company asking a lawyer or doctor why they want to know the best travel plans even though they never flew on their planes before.


Why do I have to play games on this server to ask good questions?

Why do I need to have a "skill level"? That is the essence of the question.


If you were to learn the Sicilian from BOTTOM to TOP, which would you start with?

 

The answer I am looking for is one in which would guide a player to learning openings in a logical and smart progress. Sorry if you can't comprehend this.

   Your example is wrong.

   If  one asks "How can I swim in the ocean?" then the reasonable question is "have you ever swimmed before?" or "how good you are in swimming?"

    Your question shows a dangerously(for himself) ignorant beginner. Everybody knows that what you attempt to do(learning all or most of the Sicilians) is useless and the best way not to improve. IMBacon tried to prevent you from "drowning" but of course if you have no idea how dangerous swimming in the ocean is, you also have no idea when one tries to help you.

    But be my guest, learn them all , I can already see the title of your next post:

"I learned all Sicilians , why I'm not improving?" 

Come on, I am far beyond your rating with 1450 fide, and I play a lot of those Sicilians, The Dragon, Paulsen, Sveshnikov, Kalashnikov, Accelerated and Hypeaccelerated Dragon . I won an otb against 1800 fide with the dragon.   To play around with a lot of different sicilians I feel very interesting. I dont nesessarily win, but winning is less important than learning, and I do have some (slow) progress.  I ve tried the French but French is more difficult, because  the white square bishop is difficult to get going.

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Whatever order Don Corleone tells you.  That's the safe answer.