What to expect in an OTB tournament

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KyleJRM

Clock hasn't been a problem. I play a little too fast for the really slow time controls on the internet. I try to play 45 45 but it ends up more like 30 30. The natural pace OTB seems much slower and it's easier to take my time.

I *thought* I had the notation just fine, but when I got back to the hotel last night and tried to recreate my games on the computer, I found that many moves were clearly wrong and couldn't figure out the right ones on all of them.

I will absolutely, definitely be doing this again. It'd be testing my wife's indulgence to try another large, out-of-town, weekend-long tournament again, but there are some smaller one-nighters in the area in January. I can probably do a really big tournament once or twice a year.

EternalChess
burnsielaxplayer wrote:
KyleJRM wrote:

Thanks everyone so much for the answers. I really am excited about this and will of course post my experiences.

On the kids thing, it's not that I'm worried about playing strength. There are probably a lot of kids out there much better than me. I'd just feel a little awkward if I'm at a board with a 9-year-old and there is nothing but 9-11 year olds at all the boards around me as well. But it doesn't seem like that'd be the case. I'll just try not to think about it if it is.

On resignation, I generally don't  it. If I'm in a lost position, I'll generally just speed up to blitz speed so as not to waste my opponent's time, but I want to always play it out.

On results, I'll be ecstatic with 0.5/6 at U1400. I don't want to get completely skunked, but anything else is fine.


I'm playing the U1400 section (I'm currently rated ~770 in the USCF but I've only played 4 rated games) at the National Chess Congress in Philly this weekend.  My first round I got a 1 point bye due to an odd number of players.  My next game later that day I was crushed by an 8 year old Indian kid with his father standing behind him with an open laptop (which made me feel like he might be cheating when the kid would leave the room with his father).  This morning, my opponent (7 year old Indian girl) showed up with 15 minutes off of her clock and puked.  She went to the bathroom and I went outside for a couple cigarettes.  Shortly after I returned, she did as well.  We were pretty evenly matched but she ended up beating me on a blunder.  My second game today, I was matched with a 35-40 year old black male, and I was certainly happy to be playing someone over the age of 10.  He was rated 1375+, and I ended up crushing him.  At the end, he outstretched his hand.  I said "You resign?" just to make sure he wasn't trying to swindle me into a draw and he said "Yes".  I hope that this will be the biggest upset of the tournament (not sure if there is a trophy or not).  I have two games tomorrow and if I can get 1 point out of it to finish 3.0/6 I will be thrilled.  Here is my most recent game: Time controls 40/2 SD1

 


 congrats!

Btw maybe its better to say 6 year old girl or 8 year old boy etc.. rather then "indian" "black", I dont know it just sounds weird when your putting that in your sentence.

WilliamIofEngland

I have loved watching this forum topic and find it very inspiring. I am so envious and want to play OTB in a tournament -now!

I don't think my wife understands my obsession so I am glad you got away for the weekend.

Conflagration_Planet
WilliamIofEngland wrote:

I have loved watching this forum topic and find it very inspiring. I am so envious and want to play OTB in a tournament -now!

I don't think my wife understands my obsession so I am glad you got away for the weekend.


 Teach her how to play.

KyleJRM

Okay, all done, 2.5/6. Won my fifth-round game as posted in the game showcase. In the sixth round, I was fortunate enough to play white for the fourth time. I played the opening very well and had him bent back into a very awkward position as black. I had a very strong kingside attack going and was up a pawn, and when I had a chance to simplify down I instead chose a riskier path and kept going with the attack, trying for a spectacular (by my standards) mate. Then, and as soon as I released the piece I knew it, I blundered just as badly as my fourth-round opponent had and completely gave him the game (I moved my queen into a pawn fork with my rook on the fifth rank)

Estimated rating based on USCF website calculator: 1050, within the range I expected but a little on the low side.

There is a definite difference between the way people play online and over the board. I went into the tournament at about ICC 1400 standard, and I think the standard formula of ICC-250=USCF is about accurate for this level. I could have played a little better, but the newness of the experience and the sheer length of the tournament (and my recent bout of insomnia) hurt me a bit. 

The play is very different from the internet, at least in my six games. On the internet, people are very likely to overlook your attacks. If you can put together a nice threat with multiple pieces working together, and there's only one move that can stop it, they'll often overlook that one move in favor of whatever threat they are trying to generate. My opponents found that one move every time. But they (and I) were much more likely to blunder themselves into a simple tactic than similarly rated players at a higher level. In 6 games, I counted five blunders that moved right into a fairly simple tactic that cost at least the exchange (and four of the five dropped an entire piece). Two of them swung easily won games into sure losses. I think I'm going to put away my positional book and stop worrying about more advanced stuff until I can *really* make it through entire games without making silly mistakes.

The swing from a good tournament to a bad one hangs on a razor-thin edge. If I were slower to accept a draw in the first game, not miscounted the king's moves by 1 in the third game, and not blundered into the fork in the sixth game, I would have scored 4.5/6. If my opponent doesn't blunder her queen into a skewer in the fourth game and my opponent defends a little more accurately in the fifth game, I could have easily been 1.0/6. How many bad moves does it take to lose a chess game? Just one, the old saying goes.

I was expecting a lot of kids and a lot of nerdy guys my age, but it was actually a very diverse group.  The kids were very concerned with ratings and prize money going into the last round, asking everybody around them and figuring it out in their heads. It was cute.

I think I totaled up about 11 hours of playing time across two days, which is to be honest very mentally exhausting. I hope in time I can be more ready for that aspect of it.

I think I'm about out of thoughts for the moment. Sorry for spamming the board :)

Conflagration_Planet

I don't see how you're spamming the board. I was thinking myself, that the newness of the experience would be bound to affect your performance.

KyleJRM
Fezzik wrote:

You've hit on the truism that chess is all about tactics. Once you eliminate the silly blunders, you'll find yourself competing with the 1500s. When you learn how to encourage your opponent to blunder, you'll be able to compete with the 1800s.

Learn the endgame basics (Pawn endings, R+P endings with +/- one extra pawn, basic minor piece endgames. Don't worry too much about Queen endings yet.) You'll be amazed how often you could simplify to a simple win once you know the endgame basics.

It's only when you start competing against 1800+ opposition on a regular basis that you'll really benefit from studying openings and other subtleties of the game.

For now: study tactics!


But I already know all the basics and I want to read some more advanced thoughts from grandmasters!

*remembers he's about 6 hours removed from leaving his rook and queen to be pawn-forked*

Never mind. Back to basics it is!

KyleJRM

11 hours over 6 games, including one that was over in 15 minutes, is a *ton* for me. I'm of the internet generation, where 15 minutes is a long time. On the net, I usually have trouble thinking more than about 90 seconds for most non-opening moves. Maybe stretch it to five minutes if it's complicated or I'm really confused.

The first three rounds were G/60 with a 5-second increment, and I felt like 2-3 minutes per move was about the most I could afford. The last three rounds were G/115 with a 5-second increment, and there I was averaging maybe 3 minutes per non-opening move, with the longest being about 12 minutes (excluding the 20 minutes I sat there and tried to figure out a way to magic my way out of that pawn fork).

I did kind of run out of mental steam about 90 minutes or so into each game. I was going through a very careful move process early in the games (the old checks/captures/threats for him, checks captures threats for me, checks captures checks he could respond with), but by the the late middlegames I was telling myself "no need to think, this is the only plausible reply" way too often.

TheOldReb

In almost 4 decades of otb tourney play my longest otb games involved adjournments , one in the USA and one in an event in Germany. These games lasted about 8 hours total but are certainly exceptions. The majority of my otb tourney games are decided in 4-5 hours . In the last decade its extremely rare for any of my otb games to last more than 5 hours.

Its very difficult to play otb tournament chess if you dont have an understanding wife !  I know this from my own experience as well as the experiences of many other married men who were addicted to chess.

Meadmaker
Estragon wrote:
burnsielaxplayer wrote:
KyleJRM wrote:

 My next game later that day I was crushed by an 8 year old kid with his father standing behind him with an open laptop (which made me feel like he might be cheating when the kid would leave the room with his father). 


That's a CCA event, so I know for a fact laptops are NOT permitted in the playing area.  This should be reported to a TD immediately.


 True, but the most likely explanation is that the father was recording the game using the laptop, not trusting that his son's scoresheet would be adequate to recreate the game afterwards.  Still, you would be right to be at least a little bit suspicious.  Even if the laptop were not being used for game analysis I would suspect a little bit of "coaching" might be going on during breaks, which would also be cheating.  The presence of the laptop just increases the suspicion level.

 

It certainly wouldn't be unreasonable to call it to a TD's attention.

I never thought about the coaching problem when playing against kids, but that's because I never play in long tournaments.  I usually play in G30, and never more than G60, events, where it is rare for a player to get up and leave during the game.  I'll bet a lot of parents do offer advice during breaks in such long games.

KyleJRM

There was a small snag with the ratings crosstables (the two-day pool for the first three games was being double-counted), but that's resolved and I now have my official rating: 1086(P6).


My ICC standard rating was at 140X (i can't recall the last digit) going into the tournament, had recently been as high as 1565 but that was probably a fluke run. The standard formula I've read is ICC standard-250 = USCF for most intermediate players, and that was within 100 points for me, so not too shabby.

First goal: 1100.

KyleJRM

I know. I figure for a six-game stretch like that, the rating swing is probably something like +/- 350 with 95% confidence (just a WAG). But it's still something to shoot for.

By my math, one avoided mega blunder by my opponent and I would have scored 1.5 for a performance rating of about 900, and one avoided megablunder by me and one correctly played king-pawn endgame would have made 4.0 and a 1350ish performance rating.

But a goal's a goal :)


Edit: Plugged in opponents into ratings estimator on USCF site.

No blunder K+R+3P endgame that should have been drawn, plus win game up pawn when I had a chance to simplify endgame = 1297

Opponent wins instead of blundering queen into skewer when I'm down three pawns in the late middlegame = 945

So yeah, it fluctuates wildly. But we wouldn't be chessplayers if we didn't obsess over ratings.

raider53

Glad to see you enjoyed the OTB experience. I haven't played in one in some time, but after reading about yours, I may start again Laughing