What will happen if chess got solved?

@Jokey 

Engines cannot play perfect chess, are you insane?

It seemed like you were spamming for fun instead of contributing before. -_-

Stockfish 16.1 can. If Stockfish 16.1 played both white and black it would be a draw.

You're with tygxc in saying 'chess will be a draw' but its not solved so you're 'not' with tygxc on that.
Jokey appears to be a friendly person who wants to run a friendly forum.
And the forum will probably stay mostly friendly if Optimissed is not posting here.

IG
"Perhaps my initial posts on the matter contained hyperbole and overstatement,"
Again - misuse of the word 'perhaps'.
But you seem to know that chess is not solved - and that it is not proven to be a draw.
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to the forum:
As to whether its 'likely' that chess would be a draw with 'best play by both sides' -
such 'best play by both sides' has never ever been established to have ever happened. Ever.
My own opinion is next:
I would put the odds like this - whether it takes only decades to 'tablebase solve' chess or it take trillions of years ... (which assumes trillions of years would even be available) ... if that day ever comes I would put it about 60-40 that chess turns out to be a draw with 'best play' and that's only if the 'solution' establishes what 'best play' is at that time.
At this point the tablebases are so pathetic that they can't even include castling and only go up to seven pieces on board.
And struggling terribly for years with the daunting task of 8 pieces on board.
And the engines are pathetic enough that they'll even assign winning advantage to positions that even D players can quickly see are draws.
I posted one here with diagram.
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Are there positions where the engines have assigned draws to positions that are wins?
I believe there are. But I don't have any handy.
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anyway 60-40 if and when the time ever comes.
That's 3 to 2. 2 to 1 would seem a little lopsided.
60-40 looks reasonable.

yeah

@Jokey

Stockfish 16.1 can. If Stockfish 16.1 played both white and black it would be a draw.

Stockfish cannot play perfect chess. If it could, "stockfish constantly getting stronger" wouldn't be a thing. Complete nonsense. I'm surprised a 2200 doesn't know that.

Chess is already solved at a high level.

[Removed: Offensive] ~W

Analyze the theory of the main openings, the Chess is solved! because no one would play bad openings.

@367

"He's claiming chess is solved"

++ No. I claim for all practical purpose chess is ultra-weakly solved and the game-theoretical value of the initial position is a draw.

I also claim the 113 draws out of 113 games in the ICCF World Championship Finals

at 5 days / move average, with twin servers of 90 million positions / second are at least part of a weak solution of chess: redundant and thus fail safe, but not yet complete.

I also expect chess to be strongly solved before 2100 by quantum computers and retrograde analysis.

I agree!

'weakly solved' might have a scientific definition - but its an extremely misleading term.
Somebody could argue that Morphy or Capablanca 'solved' chess over 100 years ago.
What might be more useful than 'chess solved' is discussions of aspects of chess that connect to 'solving' in chess.
Which really does exist when you're talking about tactics puzzles.
There's over 50,000 such puzzles on the website ...
And some of the time players 'solve' them and some of the time they don't.
Tactics and issues of tactics are key to good chess.
So a discussion of 'solving' chess connects to all of chess directly or indirectly.
But in the other direction too.

Hmm.

"what-will-happen-if-chess-got-solved"
the planets will not align.
Sean Connery won't come back from the dead.
McDonald's food will not get healthy.
Seawater won't be drinkable.

You already bad mouthed me and I ignored you, but this type of post is unhelpful and abusive. You really demonstrate the kind of person you are with posts like this.

Wow, that close, huh?

Hmm...I don't know where I would put the odds. I know I said one in a million somewhere earlier in the thread, but that was just hyperbole. To give a serious estimate - albeit a complete uneducated guess, I would say whites odds are 50 to 1, and blacks odds are 500 to 1.

Well to use IG's own word ... 'perhaps'.
but if you do namecalling Pl ... then that might cause others to side with IG and with Jokey - and you could end up demoting yourself like Optimissed constantly and foolishly does.
'Fool' is different from 'foolishly'.
The second refers to behaviour but the first is direct personal attack.

Alright, I see.

@International-Grandpatzer Your status makes you seem like a little kid, that's why. I wasn't trying to offend you. But I guess this teaches us that profiles don't reveal everything.

Hmm.

I thought you'd have learned that with all the arguing, there's no reason to bump...