What will happen if chess got solved?

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DiogenesDue
International-Grandpatzer wrote:
RoadOcean wrote:
I thought it was discussed that chess is not solvable?
There are trillions combinations of position and just too hard to calculate

Two words:

Quantum computing.

Quantum computers can't even play chess, much less solve it. You might want to read up on what types of problems quantum computers are actually applicable to.

playerafar

"RoadOcean wrote:
I thought it was discussed that chess is not solvable?
There are trillions combinations of position and just too hard to calculate"

That's right.
With today's computer hardware - chess is not solvable.
That might change someday. Somehow.
Trillions of years from now.
Sooner than that? Its possible but the hardware and the software would have to improve so very very much.
Even very strong chess engine software gets positions wrong that humans who aren't strong players can see the engines are obviously getting wrong.

So - software too. Would have to improve a lot.
With 10^44 chess positions possible ...
to get some scale - the observable universe is 'only' 10^24 kilometers across ...
'Only'.

Spock would say to Kirk 'Captain - Even at Warp 7 the Enterprise couldn't even get to Andromeda in a lifetime of ours.'
Kirk: 'Indeed Spock. But lots of things close by at a mere Warp 2 that are reachable and fascinating.'
Spock: 'Indeed Captain. Fascinating things.'
Kirk: 'Our ancestors on 2024 earth didn't have the technology to even reach Alpha Centauri'
Spock: 'That is correct Captain. Not nearly. And the primitive earthlings of that time could not solve Chess either.'
Kirk: 'We still haven't solved chess. Isn't that right Spock?'
Spock: 'Yes Captain but some of those earthlings of that time entertained the notion they could solve it in five years 'with enough money'.
Kirk: 'Even on Vulcan your people aren't close to solving it. Right?'
Indeed Captain.

Jokey

Hmm.

SepehrLemonGames
Jokey wrote:

Hmm.

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Jokey

Why?

molotov_12

I like ducks🦆👍

Jokey

Okay.

Jokey

Hmm.

playerafar

Elon Musk is in this.
"Along with the advancement of technology, Elon Musk feels the game of chess can be fully decoded by computers in the near future. Musk seems not to be a big fan of the battle between two human brains. The Tesla CEO has predicted that the sport will be solved within a decade like checkers was."
The so-called 'Quantum computers' cannot do the job.
But it'll take a 'Quantum Leap' in computer speed and bigger not just faster computers and would there be 'much better algorithms' - in other words much better software too?
The tablebases are struggling terribly to make the jump from 7 pieces to 8 pieces and that's without even considering castling possibilities.
The people in that project have been working on 'better algorithms' for many years now.
There's going to be a 'quantum jump' in the software?
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Elon Musk in this? The money's there.
But Elon apparently not a chess fan.
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There's no crystal ball.
We can't be certain chess 'won't be solved' in a few years.
But we can't be 100% certain the sun will come up tomorrow either.
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If Elon Musk finances the project and that leads to 'chess got solved' in a few years then 'what will happen'?
I would say 70% chance that Elon plus some members here will feel and act very Smug about that.
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International-Grandpatzer
Jokey wrote:

Hmm.

Interesting.

Utkarsho

Hmm 🤔 interrestano

Jokey

Hmm.

Fang_05

Even if chess got solved, only very powerful engines would play perfectly.

Fang_05

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Jokey

Hmm.

tygxc

@417

"Even if chess got solved, only very powerful engines would play perfectly."
++ No. Connect Four has been solved and any human can memorize the solution and play perfectly.

Alexeivich94

In terms of humans playing chess it wont change anything.

"But you could learn optimal lines and patterns and incorporate them in your classical repertuar"

Right now you can learn from SF16 any line you want and apply it, like is being done in master level play. It's enough to beat any human. Players often don't even choose the optimal lines but rather something they find practically tricky.

You can have multiple perfect games memorized but once your opponent finds a move thats deviates but is practically good, you're on your own.

tygxc

@421

"once your opponent finds a move thats deviates but is practically good, you're on your own"
++ You always get to a point where you are on your own, but the deviating move may be an error allowing you to win. You can be confident you made no mistake.

Fang_05
tygxc wrote:

@417

"Even if chess got solved, only very powerful engines would play perfectly."
++ No. Connect Four has been solved and any human can memorize the solution and play perfectly.

Chess is way more complicated than connect four. It has almost infinite positions.

tygxc

@423

"Chess is way more complicated than connect four." ++ Yes

"It has almost infinite positions." ++ There are 4.82*10^44 legal chess positions, 3*10^37 possible from 1 box of 32 chess men, and 10^38 from a luxury box of 32 chess men + spare black & white queens. For a weak solution of chess 10^17 are relevant.

To memorize a weak solution after it is found, it is not necessary to memorize 10^17 positions, but some strategic rules derived from the solution.

Allis showed perfect Connect Four play with 9 strategic rules. For Chess it will be more.