What would be the rating of a top chess player in the late 1800s today

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dark_837

Nakamura with 30 minutes can beat every chess player except Carlsen with 2 hours. Nakamura just passed Caruana I THINK Nakamura is way better than Caruana and would beat Caruana with pawn odds.

SmyslovFan

Nakamura's great, but I'm not even sure he's the best player in the US this week. Naka's currently 2802, but So is right behind him at 2794!

It should be a good US Championship!

Magikstone

Nobody made a big deal when Anand was champion.  Suddenly some white guy in Norway is "champion" supposively the best chess player ever, and he appears on all these shows, even modeling.  I really feel chess is living out the soviet times, where players are told to lose to Carlsen to make everyone believe in the superiority of Magnus.

Ziryab
dark_837 wrote:

Chigorin was 1900 at best

Read http://www.chess.com/blog/Spektrowski/vladimir-kramnik-from-steinitz-to-kasparov

Chigorin beat Steinitz in a correspondence match.

Ziryab
dark_837 wrote:

Most of my high school friends who haveb een playing for 5+ years would own these shitty coffeehouse players

Congratulations for getting past the eighth grade!

dark_837
SmyslovFan wrote:

Nakamura's great, but I'm not even sure he's the best player in the US this week. Naka's currently 2802, but So is right behind him at 2794!

It should be a good US Championship!

Wesley so is garbage did you see him play like a patzer today? Missed like 10+ wins agains shankland? Nakamura salughtered him on chess.com lol. Nakamura at his best can beat Wesley so knight odds.

Ziryab
Magikstone wrote:

Nobody made a big deal when Anand was champion.  Suddenly some white guy in Norway is "champion" supposively the best chess player ever, and he appears on all these shows, even modeling.  I really feel chess is living out the soviet times, where players are told to lose to Carlsen to make everyone believe in the superiority of Magnus.

Seriously, dude. I cannot get the weed you're smoking even though it is legal where I live.

Dirty_Sandbagger
dark_837 wrote:

Wesley so is garbage did you see him play like a patzer today? Missed like 10+ wins agains shankland? Nakamura salughtered him on chess.com lol. Nakamura at his best can beat Wesley so knight odds.

Troll self-confirmed.

dark_837

Nah I think Nakamurs would beat Wesley so knight odds in bullet/blitz.

Eseles
Ziryab wrote:
Magikstone wrote:

Nobody made a big deal when Anand was champion.  Suddenly some white guy in Norway is "champion" supposively the best chess player ever, and he appears on all these shows, even modeling.  I really feel chess is living out the soviet times, where players are told to lose to Carlsen to make everyone believe in the superiority of Magnus.

Seriously, dude. I cannot get the weed you're smoking even though it is legal where I live.

It's gotta be some other substance, which is still illegal where you live.

fryedk

http://en.chessbase.com/post/computers-choose-who-was-the-strongest-player-

There was a study done which analyzed the games of the world champions using computers, with statisitcal tests run on the games for a variety of different things. One of them was "expected error", basically how much worse, on average, the player's move was compared to the computer move. Granted, computers aren't perfect, but this gives us a pretty good idea of how the champions compare to each other. The player with the lowest average error, was actually Capablanca, slightly lower than Kramnik! Therefore, Capablanca would likely be a "super-GM" today.  Steinitz however, had a very large expected error compared to any other world champion, with a value that could be expected of a player rated about 2400 today. Based on that figure, I would guess that Lasker was around 2550, while the other masters of the 1800s, such as Staunton, Anderssen, etc, were likely 2200-2300,with Morphy being the possible exception.

JamieDelarosa

Fryedk - your link seems to be broken

KM101
dark_837 wrote:

Nah I think Nakamurs would beat Wesley so knight odds in bullet/blitz.

Another nonsensical post from Dark_837.

KM101
dark_837 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

Nakamura's great, but I'm not even sure he's the best player in the US this week. Naka's currently 2802, but So is right behind him at 2794!

It should be a good US Championship!

Wesley so is garbage did you see him play like a patzer today? Missed like 10+ wins agains shankland? Nakamura salughtered him on chess.com lol. Nakamura at his best can beat Wesley so knight odds.

Are you delusional?

yureesystem

Magikstone wrote:

Nobody made a big deal when Anand was champion.  Suddenly some white guy in Norway is "champion" supposively the best chess player ever, and he appears on all these shows, even modeling.  I really feel chess is living out the soviet times, where players are told to lose to Carlsen to make everyone believe in the superiority of Magnus.        

 

 

 

 

 

Dude!! What are you smoking, you not serious. Carlsen wwon the match against Anand fairly and Anand was just outplay. No one is told to lose to Carlsen, Magnus beat his opponents because he is better than them, that is all.

JamieDelarosa
JamieDelarosa wrote:

In the 1970's, Prof. Arpad Elo, who developed the Elo rating system, retro-rated the great masters of the past.

In his book, "The Rating of Chessplayers: Past and Present" (1978), Elo provides a "best 5-year average" for players who largely pre-dated his rating system. Below are those estimates from his book for players deceased prior to 1950 (2600 and above):

2725  J. R. Capablanca

2720  Emanuel Lasker

2690  A. Alekhine

2650  W. Steinitz

2630  H. Pillsbury

2615  A. Nimzowitch

2610  S. Tarrasch

2600  A. Anderssen

2600  J. Zuckertort

2600  M. Chigorin

2600  C. Schlechter

I am appending to this list to add the names of  few players who were born in the 1800s and active during the early 1900s, who lived past 1950, or played in title matches (best 5-year average):

2650 M. Euwe

2640 A. Rubenstein

2620 G. Maroczy

2610 E. Bogoljubov

2590 O. Bernstein

2570 D. Janovsky

2570 F. Marshall

2560 I. Gunsberg

dark_837

1.) Carlsen = Nakamura (overall)

2.)anand

3.) no one gives a shit

These are the best player alive right now. Nakamurs has a bad score against carlsen but that is just 1 particular matchup. Nakamura is also underated.

Magikstone

In many tournments, Carslen has won like 6 times in a row.  Isn't that suspicious?  How is that even possible against other super grandmasters.  Is no one suspicous?  

5iegbert_7arrasch

Nope. He's the World Champion! And he's Scandinavian :P

Dodger111

Unbelievable amount of mental masturbation going on on this thread. 

(How often do you see the word "on" used consecutively like that?)

Same as the word "that" used twice in a row in a sentence. 

It just don't look right.