what would you do if you only have bishop and knight?

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darkunorthodox88
Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama51 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

d) is what he said.

People claiming to have read Capa's books say that the quote does not exist. If you're going to continue insisting he said this it would be good to give a source.

I rarely agree with you. But this time I have to. I just have a hard time believing an actual grandmaster would say something like that. I can see an overconfident player who just reached 1600 in rating, and who just figured out how to perform that checkmate might say it. But not someone who truly knows chess. 

Even worse (in my opinion) is excusing the quote as just his way of implying endgames are important. I can't even think of good analogy (Insertname has a good one though). It might be like saying one should be an expert roofer before being allowed to live in a house. 

It would be quite a stupid thing to say: that beginners shouldn't play until they've mastered what is really quite a difficult technique for a beginner. I actually think it would be very stupid thing to say indeed. So far as I know, Capa was not a stupid person. He worked in diplomacy too.

all the worse for diplomacy XD 

pfren
MARattigan wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Then you can show techniques of pawn promotion, with a King and one pawn or a king and two vs a king and one.

That lesson wouldn't take more than two hours, would it? ...

White to play and mate in 127
 

Try it against a tablebase and see how long it takes you.

 

The tablebases do not claim a win, but rather a "cursed win".

With best play (which of course requirtes no pawn move or capture for 50 moves), this is a draw according to the current FIDE laws of chess. And with best play White needs more than 50 moves before being able to move his pawn.

 

MARattigan

There is no 50 move rule under current FIDE basic rules.

Nalimov doesn't do "cursed wins"; he just claims mate in 127.

It is a draw under competition rules (unless it's rapid play).

Not anything under ICCF rules. You never get there.

mantine73

I can win KBN+K

MARattigan

Not if you're +K.

Ziryab
Optimissed wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama51 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

d) is what he said.

People claiming to have read Capa's books say that the quote does not exist. If you're going to continue insisting he said this it would be good to give a source.

I rarely agree with you. But this time I have to. I just have a hard time believing an actual grandmaster would say something like that. I can see an overconfident player who just reached 1600 in rating, and who just figured out how to perform that checkmate might say it. But not someone who truly knows chess. 

Even worse (in my opinion) is excusing the quote as just his way of implying endgames are important. I can't even think of good analogy (Insertname has a good one though). It might be like saying one should be an expert roofer before being allowed to live in a house. 

It would be quite a stupid thing to say: that beginners shouldn't play until they've mastered what is really quite a difficult technique for a beginner. I actually think it would be very stupid thing to say indeed. So far as I know, Capa was not a stupid person. He worked in diplomacy too.

all the worse for diplomacy XD 

He was supposed to have been quite good at it, because of his amenable manner and general intelligence. I think he was a roving ambassador for Cuba, sort of thing.

 

He was an official ambassador for Cuba in Russia, timed to coincide with a chess tournament. He did have some diplomatic responsibilities, but his primary role was social.

Deng20

hi

tygxc

#124
Havana 1913 appeared in English in British Chess Magazine Quarterly 18, 1976.

Capablanca also was the ambassador of Cuba in Belgium and in France. He was a Jew himself and he issued many visa to Cuba allowing Jews to flee Europe during the Second World War.

Capablanca was a diplomat, but he was not always diplomatic.
From his early years:
"As one by one I mowed them down, my superiority soon became apparent"
Later he became more modest. His "Chess Fundamentals" includes nearly all his lost games.

And this conversation at Moscow 1936:
Stalin: “How do you like my tournament?
Capablanca: “It’s terrible; your players are cheating.”
Stalin: “What do you mean?”
Capablanca: “When they play against each other, the Soviets make quick draws and they get to rest. When they play against me, they fight on and on just to make me tired.”

Back on topic: KBN vs. K is no advanced technique.
If a beginner cannot checkmate a lone king, then how will he checkmate a king defended?
KBN vs. K requires foresight and that is essential in all of chess.
KBN vs. K teaches coordination of pieces. That is necessary in many endgames, e.g. RB, QN etc.
KBN vs. K also shows the superiority of the bishop over the knight and thus makes beginners careful not to play BxN without good reason.
Coach: 'a bishop is worth more than a knight.'
Student: 'I like the knight better than the bishop.'
Some exercise KBB vs. K, KBN vs. K, KNN vs. KP makes this clear.



pfren
tygxc wrote:

Capablanca also was the ambassador of Cuba in Belgium and in France. He was a Jew himself and he issued many visa to Cuba allowing Jews to flee Europe during the Second World War.

 

Capablanca a Jew?

Source?

tygxc

#127
You may be right. Capablanca no longer figures on the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_chess_players
Alekhine even praised Capablanca for his victory over the Jew Lasker.
https://de.chessbase.com/post/ueber-aljechins-juedisches-und-arisches-schach 
The parents of Capablanca were Spanish and I somewhere read they were sephardic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews 
Source for the part about the visa:
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/capablancaolga.html 



Chrismoonster

I would go for the win, on the basis of nothing to lose. The worst that could happen is I blunder a draw, a win would be unlikely, but possible. Secondly, the practise would help.

MARattigan
tygxc wrote:

#127
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The parents of Capablanca were Spanish and I somewhere read they were sephardic.
...

And I don't think they had penicillin in those days.

technical_knockout

i practiced on endgame trainer until i could solve all 5 challenges in under a minute. 🥷

Ziryab

“One fake quote deserves another.”

Giulio Cesare Polerio

MARattigan

The name is pukka. I assume the quote isn't.

blueemu
technical_knockout wrote:

i prefer the 'W' method personally:

That's the method I learned.

lfPatriotGames
AriaFebrian26 wrote:

what would you do if you only have knight and bishop while your opponent just lone king? do you risk the hardest checkmate? or offer a draw with your opponent?

I would have to ask "where did my king go?" It was here a minute ago, now it's gone.

With just a knight and bishop against a lone king I would probably agree to a draw. I couldn't pull off a checkmate without my king.

MARattigan
lfPatriotGames wrote:
AriaFebrian26 wrote:

what would you do if you only have knight and bishop while your opponent just lone king? do you risk the hardest checkmate? or offer a draw with your opponent?

I would have to ask "where did my king go?" It was here a minute ago, now it's gone.

With just a knight and bishop against a lone king I would probably agree to a draw. I couldn't pull off a checkmate without my king.

Without your king he's going to have HUGE problems checkmating you. But you're right - you couldn't checkmate no matter how hard he blunders. Wonder how the USCF rules overlooked that material.