When "Chomping On Hanging Pieces" is a TERRIBLE Idea...

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DavidWills99 wrote:

@chesssblackbelt but yet you name yourself a chess black belt. WE SEE YOU clearly for the sub-human that you are. In your gym analogy, if you then walk up to a woman in the gym who works out because she has 3 kids and wants to keep up the energy to take good care of them ... and because she can't bench press 200 pounds, you sneer and tell her that she has no right to even talk about bench pressing since YOU can press more ...

Guess what? You are a J.E.R.K. Simple fact. People are here for many reasons and your pathetic know-it-all BS impresses noone, particularly me.

Ok so let's recap.

A bunch of high rated players said getting to 1400 is just a matter of taking hanging pieces and that it's not very advanced at this level.

A bunch of low rated players don't like being told they suck and instead of listening to the high rated players, they instead convinced themselves that the high rated people are just mean.

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Phantom smells are a sign you could be having a stroke. You might want to get that checked out

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I don't recall HangingPiecesChomper ever being outright rude to those who disagreed with him. Can't say the same about Curry, David, Or Badger. And David over here is having a meltdown about someone being a "jerk". Ever looked in the mirror? As for the OP's orginial post, pieces are only hanging when they're truly free. That's all HangingPiecesChomper suggests. He doesn't suggest falling for traps. What a misconstrued opinion.

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Cold_W1nter wrote:

I don't recall HangingPiecesChomper ever being outright rude to those who disagreed with him. Can't say the same about Curry, David, Or Badger. And David over here is having a meltdown about someone being a "jerk". Ever looked in the mirror? As for the OP's orginial post, pieces are only hanging when they're truly free. That's all HangingPiecesChomper suggests. He doesn't suggest falling for traps. What a misconstrued opinion.

To be fair, my friend, HangingPiecesChomper has learnt from having his previous accounts consistently banned for abuse - you'll probably have seen his previous ones before - and so has presumably learnt to tone it down a tad.

If you think I'm being rude to people, it's possible. I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, but that's fine.

As for the post, my point is essentially that his advice doesn't actually help beginners: sure, picking up loose material is an excellent way to win, but if sacrifices like the ones I've indicated exist, how can beginners use the information to actually improve?

Also, it's worth noting that in previous conversations he's also considered pawns as "pieces", which is unusual... but also, there are surely thousands of examples where taking a pawn is not sensible, even if it's materially sound or even the engine's top choice! Poisoned pawns, gambits, sacrifices for activity.... that's really what I'm getting at here.

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Beginners won't sac or gambit pawns for activity. They could do it for a tactical reason but it would have to be an obvious tactic.

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Sure. Except, none of those are hanging in the sense Chomper is indicating. He's completely right that you climb hundreds, I mean hundreds of points when you capture hanging pieces. It really doesn't get uncommon until 2050+. To argue against this is to say that 600's, 800's, 1000's, etc. rarely hang pieces and it won't decide most games. If that was true, than why is the single most common piece of advice to improve past the beginner stage to work on not hanging your pieces? Regardless of HangingPiecesChomper's past or opinion, it's wild to me the amount of high horses present here that just belittle others and then get mad when someone breathes a word of disagreement. Would you not agree your post has done nothing but make some individuals look like fools, and I don't mean the one you intended to make look like a fool?

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One of Chomper's posts got taken down. Idk when, but it's victory for us nonetheless.

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badger_song napisał:

Based upon what he has posted; if he is trolling, he should be ignored, and if he isn't, no difference.

@badger_song
you should be ignored, him's advice is way more vaild than any of yours.
your whole personality is whining that everyone is a troll except you

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I don't get it, being a troll and giving Bad advice correlated, but not equivalent. We all agree that HPC is a troll right ? You can't say the opposite. Outside of this, he gives advice. Is it good or not ? Every one has an opinion on the topic, and I can see that many high rated players find it good enough to reach a certain level. I do respect this opinion, but it is surely not mine. IMO, it's the "good enough" that is the problem here for me. I didn't do the stats, and I won't do it, but it might be interesting to see how much people hang pieces at different ratings, and its influence on the result of the game. I will take my last game as an example : I lost a pawn and played poorly during the opening because I wasn't concentrated. I then was able to keep it equal by getting my bishop and knight to the center, and my rooks on open files. I'll admit I got the win because my opponent didn't see a fork (is it a hung piece then?), but still, I think chomping pieces can get you to a good rating, certainly better than what I am, but it is the basic of chess. If you can give the same advice to 600s, 1200s and 1800s, I'm sorry but it is not a good advice. People suggestede to find game plans, and positionning my pieces better, and I've suddenly won more games. Everyone can take hanging pieces, while finding tactics could be what makes you better than your opponent. Plus, "chomping on hanging pieces"is quite confusing, and it's the point of this thread, to tell people that the advice goes deeper than that. In fact, still in my last game, I won because I sacrificed my bishop which he took but he didn't see I could checkmate him. So yes we shouldn't make HPC look like a fool because he is higher rated, but a troll. His advice is confusing, and in my opinion not the best to improve.

Of course I am 1400 rapid, so my opinion doesn't matter apparently but I still wanted to share it

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(responding to ColdW1nter and chesssblackbelt)

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Cold_W1nter wrote:

Sure. Except, none of those are hanging in the sense Chomper is indicating. He's completely right that you climb hundreds, I mean hundreds of points when you capture hanging pieces. It really doesn't get uncommon until 2050+. To argue against this is to say that 600's, 800's, 1000's, etc. rarely hang pieces and it won't decide most games. If that was true, than why is the single most common piece of advice to improve past the beginner stage to work on not hanging your pieces? Regardless of HangingPiecesChomper's past or opinion, it's wild to me the amount of high horses present here that just belittle others and then get mad when someone breathes a word of disagreement. Would you not agree your post has done nothing but make some individuals look like fools, and I don't mean the one you intended to make look like a fool?

What people use the forum for is their business, to an extent. I was hoping people would share cool openings or games where offering a free piece was a trap, but if people want to argue here instead, they can. 
I have little interest making HPC look like a fool - in my opinion he does that himself whenever his answer to an argument is to settle it on a live-streamed bullet match or some such nonsense.

You’ll note that I returned here twice to add more opening fun to it, it’s other people who want to argue about his merits or otherwise. Honestly, I’m kind of surprised at the amount of support for him - as if somehow telling people to take free material is going to be the one line of advice that will make a beginner’s chess improve exponentially… I’ve always found it frustrating that if he is a legitimate player at that rating he doesn’t use his experience to actually lift other people up.

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Building up your pattern recognition to capture free material will take you past 1400. You are overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400.

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Chess is far more complicated than simply capturing hanging pieces. That advice isn’t groundbreaking or noteworthy. It’s catchy, maybe… but it’s also condescending.

That’s like saying to be good at soccer, you just need to kick the ball into the net. Or to be a good MMA fighter, you just need to beat up the other guy.

There’s a bit more to these things than that …

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Of course chess is more complicated, but beginner chess is not tbh

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More important and much more difficult than chomping on hanging pieces is *not* hanging your own pieces.

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B-Kt2 wrote:

More important and much more difficult than chomping on hanging pieces is *not* hanging your own pieces.

Yeah another thing beginners don't understand is that you need to spend about half your time thinking about your opponents moves.

If my opponent plays a move I haven't anticipated then I'm disappointed in myself.

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Monk_keyy wrote:

I always thought chomping on hanging pieces was really good advice.

"always" ... bro your chess account is 3 days old...

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DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
Monk_keyy wrote:

I always thought chomping on hanging pieces was really good advice.

"always" ... bro your chess account is 3 days old...

hahah! And here we go again. It would be funny if it also wasn't so darned sad.

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Monk_keyy wrote:

I still think chomping on hanging pieces is a good idea. I don't care how old my account is. You can't change my mind.

No, but it’s always funny when these brand new accounts say things like “I always thought”… sort of makes you wonder if the account is an alt for someone 😂

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chesssblackbelt a écrit :

Building up your pattern recognition to capture free material will take you past 1400. You are overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400.

You said earlier that we are underestimating what there is to learn but I'm overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400? Either I don't get your point, and I'll be glad to understand it, either you're not coherent.

Btw my last point was a joke about you judging people with a number. I'm almost 1700 Blitz, and only 1450 in rapid because I started 2 weeks ago, and I'm improving for now, and not only by chomping on hanging pieces