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which do you like better knight or bishop.what would there values be??

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Xilmi
Xilmi
Dec 14, 2013
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#21

For both: 

3+Amount of possible moves at the given position*0.1

chessredpanda
chessredpanda
Dec 14, 2013
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#22
timepass12345 wrote:
hobyF wrote:

My thought is that since you can checkmate with two bishops, but not two knights (without a blunder), the bishop would have to be worth slightly more than the knight.

by the same reasoning, you can checkmate with a rook, so two knights must be worth less than a rook. so, knight = 2.4 maybe? now, let us look at checkmate possibilities with blunders. even if your opponent blunders, or even cooperates with you, it is impossible to checkmate using just a king and bishop, or king and knight. By contrast, it is possible (if opponent blunders) to checkmate with a king and two pawns:

 




So, knight <2 points, and bishop < 2 points?!

less than 2 points??

Derekjj
Derekjj
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Dec 14, 2013
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#23
chessredpanda wrote:

bishop 3.1 night 3.5

That is a broad question. You need to be more specific.

chessredpanda
chessredpanda
Dec 14, 2013
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#24

whoops!!!!!!!I ment knight 3.1 and bishop 3.5

ilikecapablanca
ilikecapablanca
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Dec 14, 2013
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#25

B: 10 If the position allows a checkmate.

Kn: 10 If the position allows a checkmate.

 

Solved.

ilikecapablanca
ilikecapablanca
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Dec 14, 2013
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#26
littlebrat wrote:

Sometimes a pawn can be much more powerful than a queen. The values of knights and bishops are relative and that goes for all the pieces on the chessboard.

tada.

Roberts536
Roberts536
Dec 16, 2013
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#27

it depends on the spread of the pieces on the board and the density. If the board is packed and lots of squares are locked down or there is a tightly knit pawn structure, the knight would be more useful as it can hop around and attack the base of the structure/get within it. Also in an endgame if all the pawns/pieces are in one area the knight is more useful, but if there are some pawns around a file and some around h file, the knight can't travel between them fast enough to control the situation like the bishop can. By the same logic the bishop works well in open games especially when it nears the endgame where there are large distances to travel with no pieces blocking the way. To fork well with a bishop you generally want large open diagonals available to you, whereas to fork with a knight you want lots of pieces densely packed so that you have more forking options 

granitoman
granitoman
Dec 16, 2013
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#28

It depends on the game, but i think i rather have 2 bishops over 2 knights, and a bishop over a knight in the endgame.

EDB123
EDB123
Dec 16, 2013
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#29

A knight is worth more in the beginning, a bishop in the end.

Scottrf
Scottrf
Dec 16, 2013
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#30

Except from when the knight is worth more in the ending of course. Or the bishop is worth move in the beginning.

EDB123
EDB123
Dec 16, 2013
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#31

I'm just using generalizations.

TheMushroomDealer
TheMushroomDealer
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Dec 16, 2013
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#32

their values are different in every position so it's quite hard to say..

chessredpanda
chessredpanda
Dec 20, 2013
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#33
owltuna wrote:

Where values be?

Here is what Emanuel Lasker said in 1925:

1st move = 1; 2d move = 0.8; 3d = 0.75; 4th = 0.67; 5th = 0.5;

KP, QP = 2; KBP, QBP = 1.5; KNP, QNP = 1.25; KRP, QRP = 0.5;

KN, QN = 4.5; KB = 5; QB = 4.5;

KR = 7; QR = 6;

Q = 11.

i don't understand that

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Dec 20, 2013
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#34

A bishop vs knight topic!  It's been so long!  I wondered when this topic was going to appear again.

ilikecapablanca
ilikecapablanca
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Dec 20, 2013
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#35

:)

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Dec 20, 2013
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#36

At one time it seemed like there was a new one every week.

chessredpanda
chessredpanda
Dec 20, 2013
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#37
owltuna wrote:

Well, if you don't understand Lasker, better stay far away from Nimzowitsch! Let alone Dvoretsky....

But seriously, what part don't you understand?

ok i will stay away from nims grave cause hes dead.i don;t get the numbers and letters

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Dec 20, 2013
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#38

The letters are descriptive notation, the numbers are values.

The moves I guess are how much a tempo is worth?  I see the pattern 1-[0, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 1/2].

faipalguguss
faipalguguss
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Dec 22, 2013
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#39

Playing against a knight in a  blitz time pressure end game is a nightmare, that is for sure

chessredpanda
chessredpanda
Dec 22, 2013
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#40

3.5 b 3.2 n