which is more powerful queen or two rooks?

sachin884

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Nordlandia

Chessbase statistics confirms that the two rooks has a considerable edge over queen. Statistically speaking. Score was +50% score. 

So it is possible to generalise based on material filtering that chessbase support. 

 

nishaque

The dependence is on the following:

1. King Safety>Q. As you have shown before, @sachin884, king safety is important for the queen to flex.

2. Activity> Can prefer both. If the piece is not active, the opponent gains tempo to build a defense or attack.

3. Open or Closed Position> Can prefer both. Open positions prefers the rooks usually prefer rooks, as they can cover more squares. While in closed positions, the queen's diagonal power makes it shine.

4. Pawn islands>Q. The queen attacks more pawns if there are more pawn islands when the king comes in.

5. Rook Connection>R. The connections of the rooks make the rooks secure from the queen.

Do you agree @Sachin884?

nishaque
Nordlandia wrote:

Chessbase statistics confirms that the two rooks has a considerable edge over queen. Statistically speaking. Score was +50% score. 

So it is possible to generalise based on material filtering that chessbase support. 

 

ChessBase does not prove anything at all.

Crisalex51

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Evanyeehaokwek

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Evanyeehaokwek

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Dsmith42

If the pawns are even, and the rooks are connected, the queen usually has no winning chances at all.  If you have the queen in that situation, you should look for perpetual check opportunities, as you will often have that drawing resource.

EmilyW2020

In the opening, middle game, or endgame?

KnightRider415

A queen controls at most 27 squares on an empty board, and so do 2 rooks, so purely on that score they're dead heat. As for diagonals, a queen can move from a1 to h8 in one bound, while rooks on say, a1 and a2, each require 2 moves to get there. So in terms of mobility the queen can actually be advantageous in some cases.

ThrillerFan

If the Rooks are coordinated, the rooks.  If they are discoordinated with no easy way to coordinate them, the Queen is better.

ThrillerFan
KnightRider415 wrote:

A queen controls at most 27 squares on an empty board, and so do 2 rooks, so purely on that score they're dead heat. As for diagonals, a queen can move from a1 to h8 in one bound, while rooks on say, a1 and a2, each require 2 moves to get there. So in terms of mobility the queen can actually be advantageous in some cases.

 

Two Rooks alone can mate a King.  A Queen cannot!

So you can easily twist any fact.  The fact is, the Rooks are better if they are coordinated, and worse if irreparably discoordinated.

KnightRider415
ThrillerFan wrote:
KnightRider415 wrote:

A queen controls at most 27 squares on an empty board, and so do 2 rooks, so purely on that score they're dead heat. As for diagonals, a queen can move from a1 to h8 in one bound, while rooks on say, a1 and a2, each require 2 moves to get there. So in terms of mobility the queen can actually be advantageous in some cases.

 

Two Rooks alone can mate a King.  A Queen cannot!

So you can easily twist any fact.  The fact is, the Rooks are better if they are coordinated, and worse if irreparably discoordinated.

IRL endgames 2 Rooks can defend against a queen, and a queen can hold indefinitely against 2 rooks (with careful play).

So you can twist any fact. The fact is, each can have their own advantages and disadvantages in different circumstances. Queens are sometimes better than rooks in certain ways.

Nordlandia
nishaque wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:

Chessbase statistics confirms that the two rooks has a considerable edge over queen. Statistically speaking. Score was +50% score. 

So it is possible to generalise based on material filtering that chessbase support. 

 

ChessBase does not prove anything at all.

That statement is wrong. Chessbase database consists of million of games played by humans. The facts don't lie. I've done research. 

nishaque
Nordlandia wrote:
nishaque wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:

Chessbase statistics confirms that the two rooks has a considerable edge over queen. Statistically speaking. Score was +50% score. 

So it is possible to generalise based on material filtering that chessbase support. 

 

ChessBase does not prove anything at all.

That statement is wrong. Chessbase database consists of million of games played by humans. The facts don't lie. I've done research. 

Okay, the statement may be wrong, but the positions benefiting the 2 rooks comes more, or when the queen is checking our king then she may step into a pin by the rookies.