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A couple days ago I lost a game on time.  I missed two forced mates along the way.  I was rated 1238 for blitz at the time and am now 1305--I move around a bit.

What I'm curious about is who "should" see these with a high degree of certainty?  A 1400?  1600?  1800?  I suppose I'm talking about chess.com blitz ratings here.

Here I miss 24.Qg8+ Rxg8, 25.hxg8Q+ Rxg8, 26.Rxh6#

And here I miss 26.Qg8+ Rxg8, 27.hxg8Q#

I really don't think I'd be too likely to see the first one.  The second one I'd like to think I would, but clearly I didn't.

What do you think?

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JMO, but i think anyone that is decent at tactics can see these mates.  They are both easy forcing lines.  You did mention blitz, so i am assuming this was a blitz game?  If so did you miss it due to being low on time?  Moving to fast?  Would this be a mate you would see at a longer time control?

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Yes, it was blitz (G10), but honestly, I can barely see the first one even knowing it's there.

The second one is easier but the fact it relies on a sacrifice, a file clearance, and a double check, all in three ply...I'm not sure I'd see it either...even with a fair amount of time.

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Diakonia wrote:

JMO, but i think anyone that is decent at tactics can see these mates.  They are both easy forcing lines.  You did mention blitz, so i am assuming this was a blitz game?  If so did you miss it due to being low on time?  Moving to fast?  Would this be a mate you would see at a longer time control?

Neither of us play blitz on chess.com so we won't have very good opinions :p

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RCMorea wrote:

Yes, it was blitz (G10), but honestly, I can barely see the first one even knowing it's there.

The second one is easier but the fact it relies on a sacrifice, a file clearance, and a double check, all in three ply...I'm not sure I'd see it either...even with a fair amount of time.

Remove the knight, and now do you see it?

Avatar of u0110001101101000

Yeah, I was going to ask something similar.

Is it easier to visualize the line Qg8 Nxg8 hxg8=Q mate?

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0110001101101000 wrote:

Yeah, I was going to ask something similar.

Is it easier to visualize the line Qg8 Nxg8 hxg8=Q mate?

The reason i brought up removing the knight is because the first position reminded me of a position i read about years ago.  It had something to do with tactics, and a piece that seemed "misplaced"

Basically our brains dont want to see what we should see.

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Diakonia wrote:
RCMorea wrote:

Yes, it was blitz (G10), but honestly, I can barely see the first one even knowing it's there.

The second one is easier but the fact it relies on a sacrifice, a file clearance, and a double check, all in three ply...I'm not sure I'd see it either...even with a fair amount of time.

Remove the knight, and now do you see it?

That is easier.  I think the problem is, for whatever reason, I have a strong tendency to want to recapture with the rook on g1 rather than the pawn on h7...not sure why.

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They are intuitive and seem basic to be honest. It takes me some seconds to figure out with certainty the outcome though. That's unfortunate with tighter time controls.

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