so native americans 'invented' grits. thats great. the world would be unreconizable without grits. but what advances in science mathematics medicine engineering or philosophy came from outside europe? precious few. and this isnt really an opinion
The Great Pyramids along the Rhine are proof.
so native americans 'invented' grits. thats great. the world would be unreconizable without grits. but what advances in science mathematics medicine engineering or philosophy came from outside europe? precious few. and this isnt really an opinion
The Great Pyramids along the Rhine are proof.
I've always wanted to see them! And the Hanging Gardens of Manchester!
so native americans 'invented' grits. thats great. the world would be unreconizable without grits. but what advances in science mathematics medicine engineering or philosophy came from outside europe? precious few. and this isnt really an opinion
You embarrass yourself.
chess was made for a farao long ago 3000 jears back in time!!
im simply pointing out the undeniable fact which seems to make people uncomfortable that for some reason all the interesting things came from europe.
Gunpowder was admittedly not invented by Europeans, but they used it to make the world a hell of a lot more interesting.
Mathematics is full of things that were invented in Asia and named after European rediscoverers. Gaussian elimination appeared in Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art 1600 years before Gauss was born. The Bernoulli numbers were discovered by Seki Takakazu.
Writing was a bit of a big deal in history...
Do you understand what mathematics is? It's the art of building the complex from the simple. Algebra is an entire branch that begain with the idea of an unknown in an equation and has since evolved to even more abstract concepts, like polynomials over different fields, etc. If you want to make the point that the quaternions would have evolved without an understanding of one and two dimensional algebras, it won't work. By the way, I'd like to see someone comprehend the signifiance of finding the structures of fields. The Europeans did it, after all.
fonzell good post might go some way to explaining isle of lewis chess men
Nobody ,alive, knows who invented it and when.
and that is 100% true.
Actually, thanks to the freedom of information act, it is well known who invented chess, when and why.
Chess was invented in 1948 by scientists in America who were investigating UFO reports. After the aliens at Rosewell were captured, they learned that the aliens used an 8x8 grid with a variety of 'pieces' placed in different places in the grid to communicate.
However, as we now know, the scientists were unable to decipher the code. So to try and expidite cracking this alien code, it was released to the public as a board game.
In 1958 an up and coming chess player by the name of Bobby Fischer finally cracked the code. However, the government could not allow him to share the discovery with the rest of the world. So he was kidnapped by the CIA and had part of his memory 'wiped'. Unfortunately, this caused long-term damage to his brain that led to some psychosis.
As part of the cover-up, the CIA created a 'history' of chess that includes stories of its conception in India (which coincidently had captured 7 aliens of their own), biographies of supposed chess players and the creation of FIDE to help identify others who successfully crack the alien code.
I hope this helps.
I love it when historical truth is espoused by one who cannot tell a fake Lincoln quote from a fake Twain quote.
I can tell you this. I learned chess in Persia and introduced it to Spain.
https://sites.google.com/site/caroluschess/medieval-history/ziryab
It is true that the Europeans changed some rules that made it more dynamic and that the European version is played everywhere today. I can also say that a young pup whose dad edited the best English dictionary put his skills towards a history of the game and that no other book has exceeded it, although that book was published 102 years ago.
not a fake mark twain quote. its quite possible mark twain did say it. but if you were going to choose between twain and lincoln than any english grad in their right mind would puck twain
That's because English majors don't read Lincoln. Whereas some students in other fields read both literature and historical texts. These interdisciplinary scholars are best equipped to distinguish between Twain and Lincoln. They recognize the quote as coming from neither man.
We do know when and where it first appeared in print and that Lincoln was dead and Twain nearly so. We also know who "corrected" the attribution to Lincoln of the twenty-first century perversion of the fake quote.
although amazingly the wheel was apparently too subtle an invention for north american indian tribes
There is a great book called Guns Germs and Steel that explains why this happened, or, rather, didn't happen.
In the Americas, there were no large animals that could be domesticated, so the wheel, as a tool, was not implemented. There have been archeological finds in South America of toys that had wheels, but no wheels as tools.
I saw you responded to someone about rudders and bows being invented in many places. There is another book called Ancient Engineers that talks about 'spontaneous invention' which is the process where the same invention is stumbled upon in many parts of the world.
The best, and only important thing Europe ever 'invented' is America. 
The human race is still in its infancy as opposed towards let's say, the dinosaurs. Chess will reach a convergent point (due to computers) where every game will be drawn.
Something "squared" plays a big role in life and the cosmos. Give it another million years and chess could be a 16^2 board with new pieces!
My point is that the structure of mathematics makes it impossible in most cases to say that one person is resopnsible for a discovery. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, and should at least give the giants some credit.
Europe also invented colonialism.
God save the queen!!
What's the record for most posts in a row?
No problem. Euclid.
The Norwegian game of Hnefatafl out dates Indian " chess" by several centuries. Also played on a board with squates and pieces that resemble modern chess pieces. The Norwegians got it from the Romans where the game was called " Ludus Latrunculorum" and was played using dice. The Romans got it from Arabic traders on the silk route who inturn got it in Indai as far as I know.