Also, Fischer did not have computers!!
He actually did, and he defeated them: See http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1242850 or the article "When Bobby Fischer took on a computer" (https://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0622/lchs22.html)
Nice but how strong were these programs? Now a days they have about or more then 3000 elo rating. I believe then they have not even 2200 ?
Fischer obviously. He came back after a 20 year layoff to play some really good chess in winning the real world championship again. Kasparov mocked him at the time saying he was only playing at 2600 level.
Now kasparov comes back after a 12 year layoff and is missing basic tactics, it's embarrassing.
Again my point supported. Only this time Fisher is way down the list. However, I only think it fair to compare Fisher, Karpov and Kasparov, when comparing Fischer to Kasparov, since they were the 3 champions in a row. Karpov is important when comparing Fisher to Kasparov, since he was the "middleman". As far as I'm concerned Karpov beat Fisher (by Fischer's fear to play him) and Kasparov beat Karpov.
I completely agree with you. Remember the "Game of the Century" where Fischer came back agaisnt Donald Byrne? Well, Bobby won that one but my point is, why was Fischer losing in the early game?
Fischer was not 'losing' in the early stages of his game vs Donald Byrne. It was an even position until Byrne played 11.Bg5 which proved to be a mistake.
Fischer was a strong GM in the 1960s, but he wasn't even the best in the world until around 1969. He was the best player of his generation, and was about 15 years ahead of his competition. Kasparov exceeded him, and in 2000 was about 15 years ahead of the best competition.
Now, Carlsen is playing at least at Kasparov's level and is consistently +2825. Only Kasparov ever played consistently at that level.
didn't kasparov come out of retirement recently and play in a tourney against some of the top ranked competition? I think he did pretty well if I remember correctly. I was pretty impressed that a guy in his 50s could be out of chess for so long and still come back and compete.
Who was best, Kasparov or Fischer? Give me straight answer, no bullshit.
Absolutely Fischer
interesting: amateur takes on magnus.
Kasparov
Oh my gawwd not this crap again! Superior forces of their respective generations. But yeah, Fischer's been more intimidating. It's a shame that we lost the Fischer v Karpov era.
absolutely Fischer u would not believe a great player I am the lover of Fischer if any one has a more interest in Fischer then please watch the movie pawn sacrifice if u will see that u will not believe but for chess he has left his parents even his sister one day he had gone for a chess scholarship means it was a tournament and if he would beat that tournament so he was colified for semi finals of world championship as he could beat the top player of Russia that was spasky and the Russians were playing as a team and all were drawing in that
they Russians were in team because wanted that spasky would beat Fischer he was a best player in Russia so he just planned that Russia would do team work all would draw and make spasky win so I just like Fischer for his attitude as when he saw that all are doing team work he just left the scholarship hall and he quit so I just recommend that Fischer is best and very best
Top two players of the 20th Century. Kasparov may be slightly better but in a match Fischer was unparalleled in pulling rabbits from his hat. This match would have been something for the ages. Now we must deal with AlphaZero showing us how lame the human chess player really is. Fischer said computers and computer software has ruined Chess forever and he was right. Guess I'll go back to kicking rocks! HA
Fischer made beter puzzels.
Capablanca!
YES!!!!!
Fischer might never have been the world champ if it were not for Pal Benko.
All these Fischer lovers crack me up! I was his number one fan, when he won the title, but when he showed himself to be too cowardly to defend his title, I lost all respect for him. Karpov would have killed him and Fischer knew it. It took Kasparov 2.5 years to beat Karpov, but he eventually did, then he ruled the chess world for many years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_top_chess_players_throughout_history
What a joke! Kasparov is #2 and Fischer #18!
All these Fischer lovers crack me up! I was his number one fan, when he won the title, but when he showed himself to be too cowardly to defend his title, I lost all respect for him. Karpov would have killed him and Fischer knew it. It took Kasparov 2.5 years to beat Karpov, but he eventually did, then he ruled the chess world for many years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_top_chess_players_throughout_history
What a joke! Kasparov is #2 and Fischer #18!
that's bunk, it's just ratings inflation and nowadays they judge players by how close to computer they play, well that will favor the modern generation that trained whole lives with computers. If you want to be rational, just separate the eras, pre computer, post computer age, and ask the question who is the best of their era.
Fischer