Why are 1750's easier to beat than 1500's?!

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Gamificast

I just don't understand this at all. Whenever I play against a 1500 player in blitz (with not much time to think) they almost always play like GM's! But whenever I play 1750's in standard (with plenty of time to think) they play completely normally. I'm talking about my opponent's moves, not my own. Of course I play to a lower standard in blitz, but my supposed 1500 rated opponents seem to play suspiciously quickly and accurately with no mistakes. Heck, whenever I watch GM blitz games on live chess even they make mistakes! What on earth is going on?

It's so unbelievably frustrating. This site really gets on my nerves sometimes.

Martin_Stahl

What you are likely running into is the higher rated players are playing more principled chess and you are more comfortable in those games, finding it easier to make plans.

 

Some of the lower rated players are likely playing in a manner that you are finding more difficult to respond to, especially in the faster time controls.

 

I almost always find that my estimation/evaluation of positions doesn't really reflect what is actually going in (as it comes to computer evaluations at least).

 

I'm sure if you really analyzed the games, the mistakes would be there and they aren't playing close to any GM level. And if they were, they wouldn't be 1500 rated for long.

Athanael

I agree with the above poster, also keep in mind that players who are at 1750 must have regularly beaten the 1500s folks at some stage in order to get there.

Gamificast
Martin_Stahl wrote:

What you are likely runnung into is the higher rated players are playing more principled chess and you are more comfortable in those games, finding it easier to make plans.

This is a good point. I think that I am finding blitz difficult because I cannot easily make plans under time pressure and against lower rated opponents that make weird moves.

ChessOfPlayer

The answer is so obvious.  Your perception is that they play like GMs were as in reality, they are shooting crap at you.  In standard, the quality of the moves are much higher.  You just don't see this because you are better at longer time controls than blitz and can't see past the rating and get frustrated.

Robert_New_Alekhine

It's just a Gami. Rating's don't matter. 

Robert_New_Alekhine

See what I did there, Gami? Gamee?

I'm so clever! 

glamdring27

How could you possibly judge they are playing like GMs?  If you play at a 1550 level in Blitz then they will likely win if they play at 1650 level, they don't need to be 2500 level.

u0110001101101000
Gamificast wrote:

Whenever I play against a 1500 player in blitz they almost always play better than 1750's in standard

Makes sense. 1500 blitz > 1700 standard for this site I think.

 

Gamificast wrote:

Whenever I watch GM blitz games on live chess even they make mistakes! What on earth is going on?

Usually when they leave a pawn or piece for free (or don't capture a pawn or piece of their opponent) it's on purpose, because "winning" that material would be a mistake.

uri65
0110001101101000 wrote:
Gamificast wrote:

Whenever I play against a 1500 player in blitz they almost always play better than 1750's in standard

Makes sense. 1500 blitz > 1700 standard for this site I think.

Exactly. For example my blitz rating is 300 points below my standard rating.

ModestAndPolite

Players rated around 1750 tend to play conventional chess, so in Blitz it is quite easy to quickly find strong moves to play against them.

Lower rated players tend to play more randomly.  Their moves are weaker, but because they are unusual it takes longer to figure out how to exploit them.  The result is often that the stronger player gets short of time and loses against a player they would beat easily at a slower rate of play.

This effect disappears when the difference in strength is big enough.

thegreat_patzer

you are comparing "Blitz" players and "standard" players and that matters.

 

there is much more interest in blitz and as a consequence, competition for rating points is fierce.

 

so I find it complete normal for a chessplayer who plays both "standard" and "blitz" here, to have a MUCH higher standard rating.

 


don't make the mistake of thinking that "rating" is "how good someone is at chess", there's no good number for that.  instead "rating" is where a chess player falls within a group of chess player.

 

Diakonia

1. Because its blitz.

2. Because its an online rating.

thegreat_patzer

summer 16 is old?

 

nah. some form of this has been said a heck of a lot earlier then summer 2016.  probably 2008.  and we've been saying it off and on, over the years...

 

diakona's #1 bears remembering too.  blitz is almost a different game.

zugzwangutan
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zugzwangutan

There could be several reasons for this, the most obvious of which has (kind of) already been covered: your wins against the higher rated players are in the longer time controls (I don't think more explanation for this is needed). Another point, though, which people might be missing,mis that not all 1500 players are just "1500 players". Many of them have likely been at the 1700, or even 1800 level in the past. I am one of those players. It is best to simply treat every player with respect and play your best.

KnightDima

This is 100% the case. Not sure if chess.com puts bots against us. But 1500 level players are impossible to beat. I've been 1850, and i'm struggling against 1500s level players.

AtaChess68
I think that’s because you are too slow Dmitriy.