Why are speedruns even allowed? - Chess Forums - Page 19

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#361

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#362

CooloutAC wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

3point14159too wrote:

So let me get this straight OP, you think that you are playing against smurfs most of the time?

half the time I think I am playing against an alt account. Whether the intention is to smurf doesn't really matter. But the fact people having multiple accounts is so acceptable in this community is a huge problem. And the speedrunners are leading by example.

I often feel that my opponent is cheating. It is not uncommon the have this suspicion, especially when I am playing badly. When I do postgame analysis, however, I learn that my suspicions were because my board vision was so poor in that particular game. It is always worst when I am tired or angry.

I've looked at a large number of your games. I've not seen any evidence of a strong player smurfing. The strongest opponents you've faced among the several dozen games I've examined have been 1700ish on Lichess, and these players make fundamental errors that a master would never make.

That is not to say that I can be certain you have not played against an alt account. It is quite possible that you have. But, I've looked at enough of your games to know that you haven't faced any alt accounts in the past five days.

I never talked about any such thing. Stop trying to deflect the thread and put words in my mouth, you are going to end up getting yourself muted. wow.... Speedrunning has to do with alt accounts undermining competitive matchups even though it is something sanctioned by this site. That is the subject of this thread please learn to stay on topic.

Ahem

"half the time I think I am playing against an alt account."

Can you even comprehend your own words to which I was responding?

I've looked for evidence of alt accounts in your games. Haven't found it yet. I'll keep looking. maybe if someone takes the time to run Chess.com's computer analysis on all your games, we can shorten the research process. If any of your opponents ever exceed 60 CAPS, we can start there. Ann alt account by a master would typically have a CAPS above 85.

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#363

n0time4chess wrote:

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

^^^^^
This

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#364

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

hahaha. you abandoned that "prove it" stance pretty quickly. too funny. how you like that. I link you a thread fomr yesterday with multiple people talking openly about having alts in it. Now you just want to say "so what?" Well the problem is when the site themselves makes it acceptable for some people, it becomes fashionable with everyone. Thats human nature and common sense. And you my friend are simply in denial.

I did not abandon anything, all I said is what I said before, which is that you can not prove it. I just used different words, probably in a bit too complicated sentences. But I never expected you to get it, so it's cool. I know you don't see it, but you're proving me right every time you think the contrary😂

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#365

Ziryab wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

^^^^^
This

Yes, that, thanks. I get it, you get it, he...🤦‍♂️😂

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#366

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

hahaha. you abandoned that "prove it" stance pretty quickly. too funny. how you like that. I link you a thread fomr yesterday with multiple people talking openly about having alts in it. Now you just want to say "so what?" Well the problem is when the site themselves makes it acceptable for some people, it becomes fashionable with everyone. Thats human nature and common sense. And you my friend are simply in denial.

I did not abandon anything, all I said is what I said before, which is that you can not prove it. I just used different words, probably in a bit too complicated sentences. But I never expected you to get it, so it's cool. I know you don't see it, but you're proving me right every time you think the contrary😂

What you never expected, was me to show proof so fast and effortlessly. Again which should be a wake up call to you. The fact its not is suspicious and thats a shame. But those were examples of what I don't want my money encouraging which is what speedruns do.

Hmmm. You showed proof? I missed that. So did everyone else.

Maybe you don't quite know what the word "proof" means.

There is a child's game that comes to mind here.

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#367

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

So what, people have alt accounts, they cheat, sandbag, blablabla. No one is arguing that. Again, you have no means of quantifying and qualifying the connection between that and streamers' speed running. Also, you have no means to measure their impact on the games you play except your personal feelings and fallacious beliefs.

hahaha. you abandoned that "prove it" stance pretty quickly. too funny. how you like that. I link you a thread fomr yesterday with multiple people talking openly about having alts in it. Now you just want to say "so what?" Well the problem is when the site themselves makes it acceptable for some people, it becomes fashionable with everyone. Thats human nature and common sense. And you my friend are simply in denial.

I did not abandon anything, all I said is what I said before, which is that you can not prove it. I just used different words, probably in a bit too complicated sentences. But I never expected you to get it, so it's cool. I know you don't see it, but you're proving me right every time you think the contrary😂

What you never expected, was me to show proof so fast and effortlessly. Again which should be a wake up call to you. The fact its not is suspicious and thats a shame. But those were examples of what I don't want my money encouraging which is what speedruns do.

OMG, that was not a proof of anything. Anecdotal evidence, at the very best, and only if I lowered my standards to the point of no hope to return to sane reality😂

Ubik42

Nov 9, 2021

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#368

Omg just play the game. I have I think about 1200 games here. AFAIK I got points restored one time from a cheater. I don’t even know which game or who or how and I could not possibly care less than I do.

The ratings mean nothing except as a way to match you up. If you are winning 50% or so of your games then you’re in the right place.

Ubik42

Nov 9, 2021

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#369

As you like to say, I “literally” said in my post that you just quoted that as long as you are winning 50% off your games you are where you should be, the ratings are just a way to match you up.

This is how you get the title of “Undisputed straw man king”

Ubik42

Nov 9, 2021

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#370

Do you find that strawmanning wins a lot of arguments?

I think it’s a blunder. In fact if I was speedrunning debates I would win a lot against the strawman debaters and they’d probably accuse me of using an engine in my forum debates when actually I am just capitalizing on beginner debate mistakes.

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#371

CooloutAC wrote:

Pure denial. RIP. I just hope chess.com is reading this. I know they are. How many times have you gusy reported me today? lol You think most of the moderators dont' agree with me? You think most of this community who is honest with themselves wouldn't. Even if it was to never affect my games at all, its something that should not be allowed. There is simply no excuse for it no matter how many paying subscribers it affects. It should be allowed to affect a single one! Its corrupt and dishonest and its probalby against the law and better business practices. But the fact you two don't agree with that, is extremely telling to your character. Its why I don't think Ziryab should be coaching kids in the chess community.

t's funny how you attack probably the only person here, who genuinely tried to help you really hard, talked to you respectfully and reasonably. I used to have a friend of long years not dissimilar in nature and way of thinking to you. It would be funny if it wasn't sad.

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#372

I mean Ziryab of course, not myself😂

fluffytitbabbler

Nov 9, 2021

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#373

CooloutAC wrote:

n0time4chess wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Pure denial. RIP. I just hope chess.com is reading this. I know they are. How many times have you gusy reported me today? lol You think most of the moderators dont' agree with me? You think most of this community who is honest with themselves wouldn't. Even if it was to never affect my games at all, its something that should not be allowed. There is simply no excuse for it no matter how many paying subscribers it affects. It should be allowed to affect a single one! Its corrupt and dishonest and its probalby against the law and better business practices. But the fact you two don't agree with that, is extremely telling to your character. Its why I don't think Ziryab should be coaching kids in the chess community.

t's funny how you attack probably the only person here, who genuinely tried to help you really hard, talked to you respectfully and reasonably. I used to have a friend of long years not dissimilar in nature and way of thinking to you. It would be funny if it wasn't sad.

The guy is not only constantly insulting me, he is putting down the sport and low rated players in general. Its no surprise you support him and that the both of you see nothing wrong with speedrunning being allowed on unsuspecting paying subscribers. And its no suprirse you don't think it encourages the use of alt accounts prevalent all over this community. Personally, I find it suspicious. I tell myself he really is not a father with kids who coaches chess in the community. I tell myself thats all a lie so I can sleep at night, otherwise I'll have another mental breakdown. lol

I know buddy, I know.

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#374

CooloutAC wrote:

Ubik42 wrote:

As you like to say, I “literally” said in my post that you just quoted that as long as you are winning 50% off your games you are where you should be, the ratings are just a way to match you up.

This is how you get the title of “Undisputed straw man king”

every other post you claim straw man. Its like your way of conceding an argument at this point.

Naming a logical fallacy is not a concession in any manner whatsoever. Rather, it is pointing out rhetorical flaws in another's argument. It is literally pointing out that the "argument" is, in fact, not an argument at all.

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#375

CooloutAC wrote:

So I have to ask myself what are the differences between the sites. 1. They start me at a higher rating on lichess. 2. I'm mostly playing accounts less then 2 months old or with less then a couple hundred games played chess.com

Your account here is just over two months old. I think your Lichess account is about a week newer.

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#376

CooloutAC wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Ubik42 wrote:

As you like to say, I “literally” said in my post that you just quoted that as long as you are winning 50% off your games you are where you should be, the ratings are just a way to match you up.

This is how you get the title of “Undisputed straw man king”

every other post you claim straw man. Its like your way of conceding an argument at this point.

Naming a logical fallacy is not a concession in any manner whatsoever. Rather, it is pointing out rhetorical flaws in another's argument. It is literally pointing out that the "argument" is, in fact, not an argument at all.

Simply not retorting the points or making any of your own regarding the debate subject, is simply conceding those already made.

The age of my account, or my rating and skill level, once again do not make my argument any less credible. The fact you constantly point out as such, simply make YOU less credible.

And yes my account is new just like everyone else. I even closed my account thinking I would be gone like everyone else does. But I decided to stay realizing you should not be a reason for me to leave because then I'm just giving you what you want. Hopefully others read this and make the same decision.

1. False. Ignoring a point that had nothing supporting it is giving it the attention it deserves.

2. You keep making the point that you are playing against new accounts. That your account is new is absolutely relevant.

3. My account here was 14 years old last week.

When I said you could quit, it was in reply to your stated interest in improving the forums here. That remains the case, as your posts are the principle pollution the past few weeks. I'd prefer that you stay on the site, improve your game, and begin acting like an adult.

Ubik42

Nov 9, 2021

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#377

Coolout I demand you defend your statement “Only idiots play chess”.

I don’t know why you say such a thing. Can you back it up with proof? And repeating it over and over like you do doesn’t make it true.

Rook_Handler

Nov 9, 2021

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#378

CooloutAC wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Ubik42 wrote:

As you like to say, I “literally” said in my post that you just quoted that as long as you are winning 50% off your games you are where you should be, the ratings are just a way to match you up.

This is how you get the title of “Undisputed straw man king”

every other post you claim straw man. Its like your way of conceding an argument at this point.

Naming a logical fallacy is not a concession in any manner whatsoever. Rather, it is pointing out rhetorical flaws in another's argument. It is literally pointing out that the "argument" is, in fact, not an argument at all.

Simply not retorting the points or making any of your own regarding the debate subject, is simply conceding those already made.

The age of my account, or my rating and skill level, once again do not make my argument any less credible. The fact you constantly point out as such, simply make YOU less credible.

And yes my account is new just like everyone else. I even closed my account thinking I would be gone like everyone else does. But I decided to stay realizing you should not be a reason for me to leave because then I'm just giving you what you want. Hopefully others read this and make the same decision.

1. False. Ignoring a point that had nothing supporting it is giving it the attention it deserves.

2. You keep making the point that you are playing against new accounts. That your account is new is absolutely relevant.

3. My account here was 14 years old last week.

When I said you could quit, it was in reply to your stated interest in improving the forums here. That remains the case, as your posts are the principle pollution the past few weeks. I'd prefer that you stay on the site, improve your game, and begin acting like an adult.

1. You must prove why it doesn't deserve attention or you are simply conceding it. Its why i'm here in the first place, to counter your false narratives and propaganda on this social media that kids are reading.

2. And I explained that even I was about to quit, before I realized that isn't helping anything.

3. And? You are a rarity. Again, your account age does NOT make your argument more credible. What you are doing now with this statement, is proving your claim in #2 was never your real reason for making that statement. You bought up my account age, for the same reasons you bring up my rating. You touting your own account age as a reason your arguments are more credible, prove this point.

My friend. Putting down peoples ratings and the game itself is very unbecoming for a supposed adult and professional in the industry. you say act like an adult, but you troll me all throughout the forums without even addressing the subject of the thread itself. So this comment is ironic coming from you. It makes me question if your profile description is even real.

Ziryab is most definitely who he says he is.

I do slightly doubt that he introduced chess to Europe in 822, though

Here is his blog: http://chessskill.blogspot.com/

Ziryab

Nov 9, 2021

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#379

Dude. Wake up and learn to read.

I never said I don't like blitz.

I did say, as has almost every every chess coach in the past two centuries, that for beginners blitz is not a good choice. As @Ubik stated clearly, beginners, especially young ones, already play too fast. They need to be taught to slow down and see the relationships between the pieces so they can improve.

Here's something from a bit over ten years ago that describes accurately my relationship with blitz.
http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2009/01/blitz-addiction.html

I've played something more than 150,000 blitz and bullet games online since 1998. 5 0 is a slow time control for me. Most of my online blitz have been 3 0, which contrary to your claim a couple of days ago, is the most popular time control online.

I love blitz. I also recognize how it sometimes harms my slow game. I'm something more than a beginner. Let's say "advanced beginner" since I'm still below 2000 in the only rating that matters: OTB.

Ubik42

Nov 9, 2021

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#380

A. I don’t run chess tournaments. I have seen the process up close many times and have zero inclination to do so. I would consider helping out as an official, but since I am a coach it would be a conflict of interest in a dispute.

B. You are obsessed with blitz for kids. Meanwhile, actual kids are more obsessed with bughouse.

C. Zero kids have complained that G/30 is “too slow.”. They all have a good time. Pairings for the next round take awhile, enough time to go over some of their games while we wait for next round to start.

You have no clue about the whole thing really. You just make crap up. Now how about defending your “only idiots play chess” remark you keep saying?