Why can't you figure out how to thwart malicious disconnectors?

 I played this guy. He lost his queen early in the middle game and ran away (didn't disconnect). So I had to wait like 2.5 minutes just staring at the clock.

Then, the moment the game times out, he casually leaves the chat. But it isn't a fluke, he's got angry messages left in his chat for almost TWO YEARS of him pulling exactly the same stunt.  When is that stupid message about violating fair play/may have account restricted going to mean something for habitual offenders?  

There has to be some algorithm that can be applied to detect habitual and/or malicious disconnectors.  Why not computer analysis of games in the background matching up the time of a fatal move or when the game becomes hopeless, vs. when they disconnect or stop moving, so you guys can figure out the ethically dysfunctional pattern within perhaps days or weeks instead of months or years or never, when people just have that as a modus operandi?

I pay to play chess, not be jerked around by idiots and have to sit around doing nothing multiple times a day.

Have you written in to complain about this guy?  I think you have a pretty good case in the guy's notes.  I would copy it all when reporting him. You have more than 20 people all saying the same thing.

I agree that other automated measures are somewhat tame. The Fair Play Policy and its restrictions probably lead most sane people to avoid purposeful disconnections or repeated aborting doing but there is a certain hard core who believe they can win an extra game now and then by annoying their opponents who won't give up 9 rating points to save their sanity.

@notmtwain - If I had to report everyone that pulled that kind of disconnecting stunt, I'd be spending all my time filing reports.  I've already determined that if chess.com had the will to do it, they could analyze games offline ex post facto, and determine malicious disconnecting patterns in a reasonable amount of time, so the question is, why don't they?

BTW, just to spare people from needless scrolling and reading or skipping redundant material, I recommend editing your post and referring to me as @now_and_zen rather than copy everything from the post right above yours, since people can easily see the context.

When I take the time to make a reponse to someone's forum post, I often "quote" people's whole posts so that we'll have a record of it even should they decide the thread is over and choose to delete all their posts.  Many of the best threads are destroyed that way. In my book, malicious thread wipers are even worse than malicious disconnectors. (Can you believe that some people believe that they "own" the threads they start?)

I know it's tiresome to send in complaints but it actually does work. I don't do it very often but have always had a satisfactory response from the staff.

You could even write a "malicious disconnection complaint" form letter and pull it up/send it off in the last 30 seconds of the 2.5 minutes you are waiting for them to time out.

I don't agree that it would be so easy to write a malicious disconnection detection algorithm.   Your first problem may be that move times aren't recorded.   (I have read somewhere that the data is actually kept but I have never seen any evidence of it.)

But if you still believe it is so easy to write, but just don't know computer code, why don't you write just down the logic rules here so somebody else can code it? 

I happen to think that they have other development priorities (like making the new version work or adding many basic functions to the phone apps) that are more important.

When somebody dissconnects on me, I just go to the can and take a big dump.  Then I come back 9 points richer, two pounds lighter, and two inches taller :)

@notmtwain "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please" - Mark Twain.  Just as people could delete their posts, you could misquote them, so why should people take such tactics as the gospel? I'm sure trolls do modify the text they quote (not you, but as a caution about taking your archiving too seriously as a general philosophy).  

I am a software engineer. I am not a chess programming expert or not even a real strong chess player. But the move time should be recorded and saved with games long enough to do the disconnect analysis and then could be dropped to save space. That much I do know. Seems pretty cut and dry... Just look at the the game state where they disconnect.  If you see 7/10 games or something where they disconnect only from losing positions, or something like that, post a sterner warning and flag their account for further scrutiny and expect improvement.  And as a paying member and seen this problem continue for years, and having seen so many very bothered by the problem, I don't think it's such a trival complaint that they should continually keep it at the bottom of the list of priorities.

@louie_grenouille That's absurd. If they move while you're making a "movement" you lose more than just two lbs.

@kaynight - it wasn't sworn testimony and no one gives a c*rp about the exact number since it is the general problem which can be up to half the length of a game.  If you're not getting paid to be a dumb troll, then you really are dumb. Because looks like your main contribution to threads is just vomit.

@kaynight: YNMFT - (You're Not My First Troll). Obviously you're childish enough to just try to incite hatred. You're what's wrong with the world. You heard it here first. Now have the last word. I'm done.

Knyte - I think we are getting an inkling why some people might want to disconnect from the rancorous guy you are responding to.  He doesn't waste much time going to the personal insult card.

I find that it doesn't happen to me as often as it seems to happen to some others. I think that it's possible tham most disconnections are unintentional.

But I donèt think it would be that hard to detect 'malicious' disconnectors - because we assume that they only diconnect when theyre losing. Usually if you're losing, you'll be down in piece points (not always, but usually).

You could write an algorythm that trolls over the game histories of frequent disconnectors and compare how often they disconnect when down on points compared to how often when up on points. Assuming they have a lot of disconnections so that the results are meaningful: If something like 80% of their disconnections are when they're down on points then itÈs probably safe to say they're doing it on purpose...

Honestly it's just not that big of a deal. People who complain about losing 2 minutes of their lives over something like this have probably never played a 6-hour tournament game. Your opponent is allowed all the time on his clock in tournaments. If that means running sitting there and letting time run out instead of resigning, he's allowed to do that. Why should it be different online?

Here's my advice: Instead of agonizing over the solution to this problem, focus on getting good at chess. This problem occurs less and less as you get into the higher ratings and play better players.

Excellent advice.  If you don't want to deal with pisants stop being a pisant.

@zezpwn44 Right - I've noticed when I'm playing above 1300 in 5 minute chess there's a different ethos. But I pay for online (live) chess for the fun. I play whether I'm tired, busy, overworked, stressed, relaxed, distracted, whatever. So sometimes I play well and sometimes I get on losing streaks.

I don't want to master chess just so I'm not trolled by what is a preventable problem that Chess.com could resolve on behave of players like me who are not going for the Chess God experience but don't feel we want to be jerked around by intentional disconnectors.  

And the unintentional disconnectors, IMO are almost certainly disconnecting inadvertently from their phones because it's too awkward to resign quickly, for which there are some improvements that could help.  But I can tell as I block a player, and by the moment they disconnect and from their notes that at whatever Chess ELO slum/back alley I'm playing in at any given point in time, they are intentionally disconnecting.

damn why can't people wait five minutes till you win by abandonment.

@kaynight wrote: "You certainly play when you're stressed, which is permanently"

That's completely untrue, and lacking of integrity of you to profess certainty.

But I am willing to bet that people here enough to see your posting pattern will find you are a habitual troll (aka sociopath) who spends a great deal of time needling people sadistically to cause distress and don't provide benefit to the forums, but quite the opposite.

I agree. Kaynight, sometimes you are hilarious but mostly, you like to attack others. I just don't understand why.

@kaynight - No, I didn't need to be trolled because you disagreed with me, but you seem have a deep seated and frequent need to bully and behave antisocially because it is, obviously, your problem.

Not this guy :)

Kaynight is a very cool guy. However, I fail to understand why he fails to understand some things. :)