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why do russian grandmasters hate carlsen
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chessmicky wrote:
I don't think it's just nationalism. It's more a nostolgia for the days when the Soviet School of Chess was supreme. Carlsen represents a new kind of player who didn't grow up under the influence of Botvinnik or the two Ks.
Carlsen found his own way and became an independant thinker like Emmanuel Lasker free of dogma and schools and unlike many young people of his generation Carlsen did not develop into or become a stereotypical engine player.
Alec834 wrote:
chessmicky wrote:
I don't think it's just nationalism. It's more a nostolgia for the days when the Soviet School of Chess was supreme. Carlsen represents a new kind of player who didn't grow up under the influence of Botvinnik or the two Ks.
Carlsen found his own way and became an independant thinker like Emmanuel Lasker free of dogma and schools and unlike many young people of his generation Carlsen did not develop into or become a stereotypical engine player.
alot of people criticize carlsen style though for being dry, simple and computerized, cause he always plays the best moves....
in a study of the candidates match 2013...magnus played the best moves, closest to the computer
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anyone else?
Carlsen represents the new elite player, that can develop apart from the former Soviet chess machine or its remnants. Fischer started the trend, but it didn't get to full steam, until Magnus reached the top, culminated by his recent wcc victory. Anand also represented this new type of player.
It is a trend that appears to not be slowing down either. Some of the top ten players and many of the top 100 are still from former Soviet territory. Having noticed this trend, while being quite happy about it, I have never saw any negative comments by any current players from the former Soviet regime. Even Kasparov warmed up to the idea of enjoying a young Magnus Carlsen dominating the chess world, when he began coaching him in 2009. I realize this probably has helped focus Carlsen, but I still think Kasparov isn't the main reason for Magnus' rise to the top. I think he'd have made it there either way.
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I don't think I have ever heared any serious chessplayer 'badmouth' Carlsen. I think there is a great respect from all these top guys for him. These guys must have watched him for about a decade now and knew where he was going...
chessmicky wrote:
or the two Ks.
http://en.chessbase.com/post/breaking-news-carlsen-and-kasparov-join-forces
chessmicky wrote:
I don't think it's just nationalism. It's more a nostolgia for the days when the Soviet School of Chess was supreme. Carlsen represents a new kind of player who didn't grow up under the influence of Botvinnik or the two Ks.
I work with a 26 y.o. who is from Russia and he was really excited by Carlsen's play. He did comment that it was sad that the Chess training system pretty much died with the fall of Soviet Communism. His high school didn't even have a chess club and he grew up in the 10th largest city in Russia.
MzJavert wrote:
chessmicky wrote:
I don't think it's just nationalism. It's more a nostolgia for the days when the Soviet School of Chess was supreme. Carlsen represents a new kind of player who didn't grow up under the influence of Botvinnik or the two Ks.
I work with a 26 y.o. who is from Russia and he was really excited by Carlsen's play. He did comment that it was sad that the Chess training system pretty much died with the fall of Soviet Communism. His high school didn't even have a chess club and he grew up in the 10th largest city in Russia.
Wow, sounds like the US...
MzJavert wrote:
chessmicky wrote:
I don't think it's just nationalism. It's more a nostolgia for the days when the Soviet School of Chess was supreme. Carlsen represents a new kind of player who didn't grow up under the influence of Botvinnik or the two Ks.
I work with a 26 y.o. who is from Russia and he was really excited by Carlsen's play. He did comment that it was sad that the Chess training system pretty much died with the fall of Soviet Communism. His high school didn't even have a chess club and he grew up in the 10th largest city in Russia.
That is true. I was born in Latvia and attended the same school M. Tal was attending. One should expect such a school to have a great and long-running chess club tradition, however after the end of the Soviet Union people of ex-USSR had things to do except for preserving the long running traditions.
It's somewhat sad, but one shouldn't overglorify the Soviet era, it was a disgusting regime and people should be happy that now they aren't oppressed (at least in some of ex-USSR countries).
im listening to the world team chess championship broadcast..and they sure don't like carlsen.....it seems like that can't seperate nationalism from the game