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Why do some players immediately resign the moment they lose the momentum? Is it ego? Pride? Shame?

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Optimissed
CooloutAC wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm here to have an honest debate,


Many people don't get that impression and, after all, if it isn't true then it isn't true, if you see what I mean. The general perception is that you're intolerant of differing opinions to yours and even when you're wrong, you make no effort to understand those opinions. Personally I don't think that's entirely tru. I believe that you do make the effort, in your own time but you rarely admit to it. It would be more persuasive if you admitted that differing opinions sometimes cause you to change your own.

^  Case and point.  no retort to any points made,  and no new points on the topic.   A flamboyant concession to all those points previously made.  Many are reading in the shadows and judging.

happyevilnervoustonguewinkbulletpeshkatournamentsplatinumpingoldthemes

^^^^ Flamboyant Concession ^

Pegusu

I can only speak for myself but if I see that my chances are slim to none, then I generally resign early.  I wouldn’t say that it’s pride, shame, or ego but more likely, it’s exasperation for making careless, poorly planned moves when I know better.  So I guess there is some ego involved after all!  Occasionally, the other player will say “Give it up, resign!”, which is rude. Usually, I’ll text back “shhh!”

Pegusu

In response to CooloutAC’s comment re: my post, exasperation is not defined as “lack of mental fortitude”, nor does exasperation (or“lack of mental fortitude”)lead to emotional weakness.  Stick to commenting on chess, buddy, and leave the psychology to the experts. Just saying.🧐

Mike_Kalish
Pegusu wrote:

I can only speak for myself but if I see that my chances are slim to none, then I generally resign early.  I wouldn’t say that it’s pride, shame, or ego but more likely, it’s exasperation for making careless, poorly planned moves when I know better.  So I guess there is some ego involved after all!  Occasionally, the other player will say “Give it up, resign!”, which is rude. Usually, I’ll text back “shhh!”

When I resign, this is what I'm saying to my opponent: "You have a commanding lead, and I respect you enough that I would not expect you to blow it. I will not insult you by playing on, expecting, or even hoping for, a massive blunder. Congratulations on the well earned victory."

 

Others resign for their own reasons. That's mine. 

Pegusu

I agree with you, mikekalish. Another legitimate, intelligent reason for resigning early.

Optimissed
Pegusu wrote:

In response to CooloutAC’s comment re: my post, exasperation is not defined as “lack of mental fortitude”, nor does exasperation (or“lack of mental fortitude”)lead to emotional weakness.  Stick to commenting on chess, buddy, and leave the psychology to the experts. Just saying.🧐

In response to Coolout's psychology lessons he was kind enough to deliver to us, the ego is more or less that part of our psyche which is the cause of facets of our characters which we present to the World and in a way, also to ourselves in that we're caused to go on being the same person and reacting in the same way, out of habit but due to how we see ourselves in our interactions with others and in their interactions with us. Perhaps, it's what makes us us, in a somewhat superficial way?

Therefore of course, what you said/wrote was perfactly correct and reasonable and Mr C would do well to listen to others like yourself. He might learn something, for once. It's good to make your acquaintance.

Pegusu

Thank you, Optimissed for sharing a different way of looking at CooloutAC’s comments.  Nice to meet you too.  You certainly illustrate ur user name with ur positive outlook.😊

Optimissed
Pegusu wrote:

Thank you, Optimissed for sharing a different way of looking at CooloutAC’s comments.  Nice to meet you too.  You certainly illustrate ur user name with ur positive outlook.😊

Thankyou Pegusu. Coolout is ok but can be intensely annoying, if one takes it seriously. As a human being he is ok.

Optimissed

Oh and he can be wrong ALL the time and then he'll say something quite deep. He blocked me, ages ago. Apparently, I worry him.

Knights_of_Doom

In answer to the question in the first post, some people just lose interest in the game after falling far behind, and would rather start a new game instead of trying to resuscitate a lost one.

Optimissed
CooloutAC wrote:
Pegusu wrote:

In response to CooloutAC’s comment re: my post, exasperation is not defined as “lack of mental fortitude”, nor does exasperation (or“lack of mental fortitude”)lead to emotional weakness.  Stick to commenting on chess, buddy, and leave the psychology to the experts. Just saying.🧐

 

It is.  just like stamina is not only physical.   Its mental as well.  But I guess maybe i'm lying to myself.  Maybe this game really is just a math equation and depends on nothing more then memory and there is nothing sporting about it.   I like the idea of the game,  but maybe its just a fantasy.  Its hard to argue against people resigning as soon as they make a mistake in their line.  Because at the highest levels thats all this game is unfortunately.  "skills"  are really not the correct term for whats required to play this game.  Don't worry optimissed you won't be annoyed by me anymore.   I give up on chess and its communities.

Well, if you decide to leave, Mr C, then all the best. I don't think you will leave though .... but I will have enjoyed knowing you.

Jalex13
Coolout is undeniably the most dynamic and interesting person on these forums for the past few months. It’s been fun having him.
Pegusu

Hey, Coolout, you got a dialogue going, you got an argument going, you made some waves and guess what? That’s great. If you’re not making waves, then ur not even in the ocean. Keep in mind that we’re all a bunch of chess nerds and that most of us(including myself!) are socially awkward. So let’s all agree to disagree and embrace our inner chess nerds and please stick around, Coolout!  

MaetsNori
CooloutAC wrote:

I like the idea of the game,  but maybe its just a fantasy.  Its hard to argue against ...

This is the reason (in my opinion) why you're feeling so defeated at the moment - because you seem compelled, often, to "argue against" things.

How about, instead of arguing against members ... connect with them, instead?

Obviously, everyone here loves chess, to some degree (otherwise, they wouldn't have joined a chess site). Find common views, instead of declaring opposing viewpoints.

Seek to understand, instead of seeking to rebut.

My wife likes to say, "You teach people how to treat you", and I believe that holds true online, just as much as it does IRL.

If you're argumentative, declarative, authoritative... you're teaching people that they should treat you the same way.

If you speak condescendingly to others, they'll do the same back to you. If you speak kindly to others, they'll speak kindly to you.

For the most part (barring some exceptions), social interaction is like a mirror ...


Also, I don't view chess as just a "math equation", or nothing more than memory. I consider myself somewhat poor at both memory and math, though I do enjoy chess.

I view chess as more of a "puzzle" kind of game. Or even, perhaps, like a thinking version of a martial art. Memory plays a role, but it's certainly not everything. A lot of chess comes down to looking ahead, searching for weaknesses, looking for ways to attack those weaknesses (or defend your own), seeing your opponent's ideas clash against yours ... Sometimes you come out triumphant. Sometimes you get wrecked ...

Mike_Kalish

Great Post, IronSteam!  Lots of wisdom.

MaetsNori

Thanks, Mike!

Pegusu

I sent Coolout a very sweet text and he texted me back, with an angry, bitter text, making it clear he has NO intention of returning to the chess forums. ☮️, Coolout. 
I hope all the best for him but let’s continue to have lively discussions, agreeing to disagree, with no anger, no malice, and no attacks on another participant’s point of view.  Here’s to ♟ and all of us ♟ nerds who ❤️ the game!

Pegusu

And yes,  Ironsteam1,  extremely well-written post - kudos!👏

jjupiter6

"I give up on chess and its communities". Let's be honest here - your chess and communities didn't extend beyond a few months of this website and a few channels on YouTube.

lfPatriotGames
CooloutAC wrote:
Pegusu wrote:

In response to CooloutAC’s comment re: my post, exasperation is not defined as “lack of mental fortitude”, nor does exasperation (or“lack of mental fortitude”)lead to emotional weakness.  Stick to commenting on chess, buddy, and leave the psychology to the experts. Just saying.🧐

 

It is.  just like stamina is not only physical.   Its mental as well.  But I guess maybe i'm lying to myself.  Maybe this game really is just a math equation and depends on nothing more then memory and there is nothing sporting about it.   I like the idea of the game,  but maybe its just a fantasy.  Its hard to argue against people resigning as soon as they make a mistake in their line.  Because at the highest levels thats all this game is unfortunately.  "skills"  are really not the correct term for whats required to play this game.  Don't worry optimissed you won't be annoyed by me anymore.   I give up on chess and its communities.

I'm sure most people here would agree "chess communities" are not the problem. There can be certain people within those communities that are a problem though. Since some people have a difficult time relating to others, maybe a change of pace is a good idea. Maybe instead of always trying to argue something, find a place where that doesn't happen so much. Maybe instead of complaining about chess players, go to where there are actually chess players. 

Find a local club, play some over the board chess. Find some like minded people. I think you might find the "chess community" isn't as bad as  you imagine.